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uh-man-burger · 01-19-2009, 09:19 PM

Ya, while doing a random search for something else, I came across this:
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A doberdoodle... Why? And they want $1800 for them. They say that whites should be spayed or neutered (I'm not arguing with that) but then they breed mutts? People are ridiculous.

KieferstahlDobermann · 01-19-2009, 09:24 PM

I know, it's painful to see the designer breeders affecting our breed...I know about Shepadoodles as well. Cute, if I didn't know they were purposely bred....

schwarz · 01-19-2009, 09:30 PM

You'd think for $1800 per pup, they could invest in spelling lessons. But then again, they're investing in mutts.

I swear....some peoples children...

reddobeluva · 01-19-2009, 09:53 PM

Why???? I would have to say the looks of a poodle is my absolute least favorite and to see it mixed with the elegance and beauty of a doberman is very disturbing to me. SO sad!

Megs · 01-19-2009, 11:12 PM

I couldn't see the pictures on the website... but I did find this:

Megs · 01-19-2009, 11:42 PM

Oh my goodness....

I managed to find a copy of the "Breed Standard"

From "Aspen's Doodleman Pinschers:"

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What is a Doodleman Pinscher?

The Doodleman Pinscher is a very rare breed. They are produced by breeding our Doberman Pinschers to our Standard Poodle. They can weigh anywhere from 40 to 80lbs as adults. 65lbs being the average. Height at the withers: Males 24 to 27 inches and Females 23 to 26 inches.

The standards above are average Doodleman Pinscher but it has been known to vary a little depending on the size of the parents. Some Doodleman Pinschers can go over these averages.
The Doberman Pinscher is a medium sized working breed that is the epitome of strength, agility and endurance. The Dobe the originally developed to control vermin and to be a watch dog. Dobermans are not naturally guard dogs but can be trained to be so. Temperament: Energetic, watchful, determined, alert, fearless, loyal and obedient.

The Doberman is a square, muscular, compact breed. Coat being smooth, short, hard thick and close lying. Colors: Black, red,blue and fawn.

When you combine a Doberman Pinscher with a Standard Poodle you end up with a alert, loyal, intelligent, easy to train, and affectionate family companion. Doodleman Pinscher have a very sound reliable temperament that is very calm, quiet, confident and very loveable. This Breed has a great big hart and is extremely loyal and loves human companionship. They are very willing to alert you of everything that goes on around you. Doodleman Pinschers love the companionship of children accepting them as a cherished family member. This breed can be very entertaining at times and can be very silly at times.

Doodleman Pinschers adjust well to both city and country living. Moderate exercise is needed. If a large yard is not available for your dog to burn off energy, a long, brisk walk in a park or open field is needed.

They make wonderful dogs for search and rescue, guiding the blind. Because they have a very alert nature they able to detect seizures before they happen, just like Dobermans, Giant Schnauzers and Giant Schnoodles.

Beause they are excellent athletes, they do wonderful in agility and flyball sports.

Because they are eager to please their master and are very alert, they are very easy to train.

COAT TYPE

Doodleman Pinschers are very low to no sheding. They come in three different coat types: curly, wavy, and smooth. Note: the curlier the coat is the less shedding you will have and possibly none at all. Many poodle crosses get the coat like a Poodle, but not the texture. Because most Doodleman Pinschers don't shed or shed very lightly they are great for Asthmatic's and allergy sufferer's.

However you will not know what coat type and color your Doodleman Pinscher will get untill they have their adult coat. This is around two years of age.

Because Doodleman Pinschers get shorter hair than the Goldendoodle, they are extremely low maintanence. Think hair like a Labradoodle. Doodleman Pinschers can get anywhere from 2 to 4 inches of hair.

This breed when grown looks very similar to a smaller version of a Irish Wolfhound or a Giant Schnoodle.

Doodleman Pinscher are an outstanding breed that adapts well to the family life or will make an excellent choice for being a service dog.

BanesDaddy · 01-19-2009, 11:52 PM

im glad i cant see the pictures on their webpage, what a freaking joke! stupid people are born every day i guess

**Patches Mom** · 01-19-2009, 11:57 PM

What is a Giant Schnoodle.
Giant Schnauzers/Standard Poodle?
OMG in this day and age of Millions of dogs being put to sleep because of lack of homes they are breeding more mixed breeds.Very,very sad what some people will do for a buck.
Never ever heard that Doberman's were breed to Kill Vermin ??? I always thought they were to protect humans???

TexasRed · 01-20-2009, 06:56 AM

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The Doodleman Pinscher is a very rare breed.

*GACK!!*

Makes me sick.

**Dobejazz** · 01-20-2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Megs

Oh my goodness....

I managed to find a copy of the "Breed Standard"

From "Aspen's Doodleman Pinschers:"

WOW what a bargin only 900.00 at Aspens

English Goldendoodles And Doodleman Pinscher Puppies

Yuck

gracieface · 01-20-2009, 07:57 AM

OMG, UKC registered, I haven't been willing to do UKC shows, now that does it, they will register these muts! I had seen them a few years ago, going by the name doodleman pinscher- disgusting!

gatehouse · 01-20-2009, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by gracieface

OMG, UKC registered, I haven't been willing to do UKC shows, now that does it, they will register these muts! I had seen them a few years ago, going by the name doodleman pinscher- disgusting!

Don't be so quick to believe that.....If we are all talking about the United Kennel Club, I would love to know how they registered the litter. I think this is probably a totally different kennel club...you know like the CKC and CKC are two different registries.

I also want to point out that there has been such great competition in dobes at our 2 UKC shows here in Ontario - the one show EVERY SINGLE DOG had minimum CKC championship already....and I dare say we had nicer competition there than we did at a lot of the CKC shows recently too....and a good size entry!

The only difference is that CKC allows pro handlers and UKC does not. You should go sometime, it is a lot of fun, and great competition, with no pro's ....and you'll be surprised who you meet!

Casandra · 01-20-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gracieface

OMG, UKC registered, I haven't been willing to do UKC shows, now that does it, they will register these muts! I had seen them a few years ago, going by the name doodleman pinscher- disgusting!

Doodleman Pinscher, Dob Poodle Hybrid

That has to be one of the ugliest things I've ever seen.

And as for the original link this thread is regarding, they bred a BLUE dobe to a poodle.

that picture just gives me the heebie jeebies.

robinb · 01-20-2009, 11:09 AM

Our new dear leader is considering a Labordoodle!
Ruff choice: Obama dog down to 2

Leliel · 01-20-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by robinb

Our new dear leader is considering a Labordoodle!
Ruff choice: Obama dog down to 2

I'd prefer he picked a "heinz 57" dog or else an actual breed as this publicity is likely going to encourage "designer" breeding. As long as he sticks with a shelter dog though, I'll be okay with it.

Rufus23 · 01-20-2009, 02:34 PM

Isnt that how dobermans were created in the first place is by cross-breeding. Can someone explain why criticizing these people isn't slightly hypocritical?

Im not trying to argue, i know pretty much -Zero- about breeding, genetics. I just wanted to ask the question.

Leliel · 01-20-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus23

Isnt that how dobermans were created in the first place is by cross-breeding. Can someone explain why criticizing these people isn't slightly hypocritical?

Im not trying to argue, i know pretty much -Zero- about breeding, genetics. I just wanted to ask the question.

I am NOT one of the experts here, nor a breeder, but I think this is key:

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Originally Posted by courtesy of megs

The Dobe the originally developed to control vermin and to be a watch dog. Dobermans are not naturally guard dogs but can be trained to be so.

This breeder doesn't even accurately know the history of the breeds he's mixing. If he were trying to create a new breed with a specific goal in mind, that would be different. The intent of all breeding is to better the breed - even if that breed is one you are creating. Mixing 2 purebreds because you happen to have them both on premises doesn't qualify.

The Dalmatian Pointer Backcross Project IS a good example of reputable mixed breeding, imo, though I don't know if the Dalmatian community overall ever accepted it. They took a champion Pointer and bred him to a Dalmatian in order to address health issues that could not be solved by reputable breeding of Dalmatians alone.

Broccolilust · 01-20-2009, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by uh-man-burger

Ya, while doing a random search for something else, I came across this:
Home Page
A doberdoodle... Why? And they want $1800 for them. They say that whites should be spayed or neutered (I'm not arguing with that) but then they breed mutts? People are ridiculous.

This is DISGUSTING. God I swear I would really really like to find a way to make it illegal to breed dogs without a license and make unlicensed breeding by complete retards who didn't pass 12th grade english punishable by death or something comparable. While I'm in dreamland, how about making owning a dog licensed? Maybe you would have to have a SAT score over 800, have successfully owned a series of plants, and fish, and some common logic tests and have written a 15 page research paper on the breed you want and write a convincing essay to the licensing board as to why you and your lifestyle would be fantastic for that particular breed.
HAHA. Anyway, in all seriousness:
This is gross. I really just ugh. I threw up in my mouth a little, that's a mutt. I'm sure its got all the personality they claim. Maybe even a very nice mutt, but a mutt. I would rescue it from a shelter, maybe. $1800? HAH. Seems you left out a decimal point.

Broccolilust · 01-20-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus23

Isnt that how dobermans were created in the first place is by cross-breeding. Can someone explain why criticizing these people isn't slightly hypocritical?

Im not trying to argue, i know pretty much -Zero- about breeding, genetics. I just wanted to ask the question.

IMO If these people took the time to actually craft the breed the way purebreds have been crafted over CENTURIES in most cases, titled their dogs, health tested, and really put the effort in and made a real case for the breed, maybe maybe then I would be inclined to consider these dogs a breed. In the case of the doberman, for example, the breed was thought out and bred for a specific purpose. The breeds crossed were 'crafted' to make the dog we see today, each addition added to meet a specific need. The original dobermann was bred to do the job it was created for and to be the best at it, not so that it could be sold to make the creator some extra cash. That is not the case for 'designer breeds'. This is the height of the byb-jump on the bandwagon- make a quick buck bull that is putting thousands of dogs on the euthanasia table, whether directly or indirectly.

Ninabug · 01-20-2009, 06:52 PM

If I saw the dogs in a shelter, and was looking to adopt one I'd probably do it. They're cute I think, but the way this is all going about being done is disgusting and disgraceful to both breeds involved.

Rishima · 01-20-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufus23 View Post
Isnt that how dobermans were created in the first place is by cross-breeding. Can someone explain why criticizing these people isn't slightly hypocritical?

Im not trying to argue, i know pretty much -Zero- about breeding, genetics. I just wanted to ask the question.

Dobermans had a purpose when they were bred, and a variety of breeds were placed into the creation of the doberman, and then over time they were able to breed the doberman to its own kind and the results of the puppies were to look exactly like their parents and had a standard to abide by.

doodle dogs do the following things

1- cross one pure bred with another purebred, most often the standard or miniature poodle with a Labrador or beagle etc.
2- the puppies born are always different, they look nothing like the parents, their conformation varies, their coat length changes and their health issues often worse.
3- do not go by a breed standard, the puppies produced are generally always first gen puppies, this is not creating a new breed its creating a crossbreed..
4- documents of the breeding lines is never recorded.
5- they were apparently first bred to make a hypo allergenic dog, but have still failed to create a new breed because they will not move off first gen puppies, meaning the original "purpose" of this new "breed" will not be effective as they are not selectively breeding this quality with the first gen puppies.

A breed of dog needs to be able to breed puppies that look like the parents, they need to have the same conformation and the same colouring. These dogs are being bred for fashion, nothing more. They are called designer dogs and are just a scheme to help byb and puppy millers make money.. Grab a $200 beagle, and a $500 poodle and make $2000 puppies! Its all a hoax and these crossbreeds will never be a breed because they never use a doodle cross a doodle to make a doodle.. its always a poodle cross another breed to make a crossbreed..

ilovealldogs · 08-01-2012, 04:36 PM

Even though 1800 is a very large price for a mix breed, and no, there is no standard for a mutt, you all make me sick with your elitism! Your Doberman is a dog made from a bunch of other dogs and was at one point a MUTT. You need to be a little more respectful. People mix dogs with poodles because they have allergies and cannot tolerate a shedding dog. I never thought Doberman owners could be so ignorant. People aren’t out to get rid of your breed, just make dogs more suitable for other people. I am really disgusted by the amount of ignorance that has been had on this page. You are all very sad people to make yourselves feel better by putting other people and their practices down! I hope you find a way to be happier about yourselves so you don’t do this again. I happen to be the proud owner of a MUTT. A Shi Tzu Havanese (among other dogs) from a rescue. Are you going to call me stupid for not getting rid of my beautiful dog? Should I have just looked over him at the shelter? Shame on all of you who were rude.

Hilary · 08-01-2012, 04:58 PM

Welcome ilovealldogs to DT! Thank you for resurecting an ancient thread but perhaps your post would be better in the "What have you laughed at today" thread. I know I'm laughing!

(dead thread + troll = zombie troll?)

Asmit · 08-01-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovealldogs

Even though 1800 is a very large price for a mix breed, and no, there is no standard for a mutt, you all make me sick with your elitism! Your Doberman is a dog made from a bunch of other dogs and was at one point a MUTT. You need to be a little more respectful. People mix dogs with poodles because they have allergies and cannot tolerate a shedding dog. I never thought Doberman owners could be so ignorant. People aren’t out to get rid of your breed, just make dogs more suitable for other people. I am really disgusted by the amount of ignorance that has been had on this page. You are all very sad people to make yourselves feel better by putting other people and their practices down! I hope you find a way to be happier about yourselves so you don’t do this again. I happen to be the proud owner of a MUTT. A Shi Tzu Havanese (among other dogs) from a rescue. Are you going to call me stupid for not getting rid of my beautiful dog? Should I have just looked over him at the shelter? Shame on all of you who were rude.

Did not mean to thank that at all.....

First off, NO we do not think you should get rid of your dog. Everyone on DobermanTalk pushes hard for people to rescue dogs of all shapes and sizes. We love rescues, mutts, from the shelters etc. What we do not like it when people purposely breed these dogs. Breeds are there for a reason. And most of these dogs being used as "designer dogs" are poorly bred to begin with and should not continue to be used to produce more ill dogs.

How many doodles have you met? Really? I have seen ~20 of them at the boarding facility or training facility, and 100% of them (all 20

) were NOT hypoallergenic, and they DID shed. Breeding a dog who is half doberman to a dog who is half poodle is NOT going to create a Doberman with a poodle's coat. Genetics do not work that way, and it is not a way for people with allergies to enjoy other breeds. Half of their genes come from a poodle, and they will equally be just as much poodle as they will Doberman. Only thing is, it is nearly impossible for the average person to extract the specific genes that are responsible for the "anit-shedding" trait, and without isolation of this gene, the dogs will always unequally show each breed's traits.

I wish a basic genetics course was necessary for high school graduation

maybe less people would aid in reproduction of all species.

Also, out of the 20 so Doodles I have met, only one of them had a decent temperament and somewhat of a brain. Where as out the ~50 Dobermans I have met, I have only seen 6 or so with extreme temperament issues that were not due to a lack of training.

Rosemary · 08-01-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovealldogs

Even though 1800 is a very large price for a mix breed, and no, there is no standard for a mutt, you all make me sick with your elitism! Your Doberman is a dog made from a bunch of other dogs and was at one point a MUTT. You need to be a little more respectful. People mix dogs with poodles because they have allergies and cannot tolerate a shedding dog. I never thought Doberman owners could be so ignorant. People aren’t out to get rid of your breed, just make dogs more suitable for other people. I am really disgusted by the amount of ignorance that has been had on this page. You are all very sad people to make yourselves feel better by putting other people and their practices down! I hope you find a way to be happier about yourselves so you don’t do this again. I happen to be the proud owner of a MUTT. A Shi Tzu Havanese (among other dogs) from a rescue. Are you going to call me stupid for not getting rid of my beautiful dog? Should I have just looked over him at the shelter? Shame on all of you who were rude.

What we are against is the irresponsonsible breeding of these dogs. I too, have a mutt, rescued from a cemetery, but I wouldn't dream of forking over money to someone who's main reason for breeding dogs is to make money, which is entirely what these "designer" mixes are about. We are also against the irresponsible breeding of purebred dogs.

ETA: If you think we are "rude", I advise you to not go near a poodle forum. The entire "doodle" problem has them pretty much foaming at the mouth.