Alpha male - who protects who? - Page 3

Julie W · 07-02-2008, 12:53 AM

The doberman breed was specifically developed and selectively bred to guard it's owner. Also, as was already mentioned here, dogs read their handlers emotions and act accordingly to them. A strong confident handler is going to create a much stronger, more confident dog.

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Generally speaking, most womenfolk cannot handle themselves in real life situation. It would probably be better if the dog would help out some even if it could.

I can't disagree more. Not only am I quite trained and practiced with firearms and a very talented shot, I would rather protect myself than have my dog do it for me. In todays litigious society you can get sued and your dog euthanized if he/she bites somebody, even in self defense. A burglar can sue you because he injured himself on broken glass that he created himself breaking and entering into your home. If somebody is posing a serious personal threat to me I'm willing and able to stop that threat, permanently. Hard for somebody to sue you if they are no longer in existence.

Crow · 07-02-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by berkdogg

Generally speaking, most womenfolk cannot handle themselves in real life situation. It would probably be better if the dog would help out some even if it could.

I don't know what the stats are in the USA but here in the UK the group most likely to be assaulted and/or murdered is young men under 25, not women. Attacks on women get much more publicity but the fact is that women are less likely to be the victims of violent crimes than are men.

But I do agree that everyone - male or female - should know how to handle themselves in the event of an attack. There may be nothing you can do, because the nature of many attacks involves stealth, surprise, and cowardice - the attacker takes no chances and gives his victim no chance to respond (as my highly trained male martial arts instructor found out when he was attacked from behind by someone wielding a length of scaffolding strut). But at least if you can handle yourself you may emerge alive from some sorts of attack.

tranquility · 07-02-2008, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Megs

A friend of mine was walking to work a while back when 2 dudes walked by her and one grabbed her purse. She spun around SO FAST and clocked the guy right in the jaw. So hard she hurt her hand. But she hurt his face too. The guy pulled on it so hard that he broke the strap. The 2 guys are now pretty much in shock when she asks WTF was he doing? His buddy's response: "Uhhh, he was just trying to say Hi...." Her response, "You don't say Hi by grabbing somebody's purse!"

I know I'm still off topic, but on the whole alpha male thing... did you know there's a species of fish where there is one, very colourful alpha male, one less colourful beta female and a whole bunch of "genderless" others? If something should happen to the alpha male, the beta female changes genders, becomes more colourful, and assumes the role of alpha male. Then the most mature "genderless" fish assumes her previous role as beta female. I'm pretty sure they can revert back also, from alpha male to beta female (say if a new alpha male happens to come along - i.e: gene flow from a different school), and the beta female can revert back to genderless. Isn't that fascinating?! I learned this (and a lot of other neat stuff) in ecology.

Ya, that was completely way off-topic...but interesting.

berkdogg · 07-02-2008, 03:43 PM

I said most not all. By and large most of the women I know at work and interact with on a daily basis are the type that crawl into a ball and just cry if situation like this arose. There are two women I know of personally who could handle themselves. One was in the Corps and the other just likes to fight. I am teacher, so I am around women all day long.

I am not trying to degrade women, I am just telling people what I am perceive.

Again, congrats to all the women who are seeking out the means to defend themselves.

Julie W · 07-02-2008, 04:33 PM

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I said most not all. By and large most of the women I know at work and interact with on a daily basis are the type that crawl into a ball and just cry if situation like this arose. There are two women I know of personally who could handle themselves. One was in the Corps and the other just likes to fight. I am teacher, so I am around women all day long.

I am not trying to degrade women, I am just telling people what I am perceive.

Again, congrats to all the women who are seeking out the means to defend themselves.

It sounds to me as if you need to round up all your friends and go take some self defense classes.

**JenTN** · 07-02-2008, 04:43 PM

Strong women are becoming more of the norm. My best friend and her husband are both firefighters. She is tall but very slim, and dresses very girly on her time off. A lot of people crack jokes about her skills as a firefighter, never having seen her in action, just judging her by the way she looks.

Her husband loves to tell this story:

They both responded to a kitchen fire (they weren't married at the time). It was a small house and filled with smoke. Her husband came outside shortly after she did, gagging and choking, and eventually vomiting from the smoke. As he looked up from vomiting, he saw his partner, leaning against the truck smoking her cigarette.

Leroythedobe · 07-02-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie W

The doberman breed was specifically developed and selectively bred to guard it's owner. Also, as was already mentioned here, dogs read their handlers emotions and act accordingly to them. A strong confident handler is going to create a much stronger, more confident dog.

And as far as this comment:

I can't disagree more. Not only am I quite trained and practiced with firearms and a very talented shot, I would rather protect myself than have my dog do it for me. In todays litigious society you can get sued and your dog euthanized if he/she bites somebody, even in self defense. A burglar can sue you because he injured himself on broken glass that he created himself breaking and entering into your home. If somebody is posing a serious personal threat to me I'm willing and able to stop that threat, permanently. Hard for somebody to sue you if they are no longer in existence.

I agree..a good friend of mine is a cop and told me that if someone breaks in and is trying to cause harm to my family or myself, Im in every right to shoot..and to simply state "i was eliminating the threat"

**JenTN** · 07-02-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Leroythedobe

I agree..a good friend of mine is a cop and told me that if someone breaks in and is trying to cause harm to my family or myself, Im in every right to shoot..and to simply state "i was eliminating the threat"

And always fire a warning shot

faber · 07-02-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by berkdogg

I said most not all. By and large most of the women I know at work and interact with on a daily basis are the type that crawl into a ball and just cry if situation like this arose. There are two women I know of personally who could handle themselves. One was in the Corps and the other just likes to fight. I am teacher, so I am around women all day long.

I am not trying to degrade women, I am just telling people what I am perceive.

Again, congrats to all the women who are seeking out the means to defend themselves.

i understand what ur saying....and agree with julie also...they need to learn some form of self defense....

RedFawnRising · 07-02-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by berkdogg

I said most not all. By and large most of the women I know at work and interact with on a daily basis are the type that crawl into a ball and just cry if situation like this arose. There are two women I know of personally who could handle themselves. One was in the Corps and the other just likes to fight. I am teacher, so I am around women all day long.

I am not trying to degrade women, I am just telling people what I am perceive.

Again, congrats to all the women who are seeking out the means to defend themselves.

If that's the case, it sounds like a very good in-service for you to suggest would be self-defense classes.

I agree with the comments that women should educate themselves on how to avoid and fend off attacks, but, frankly, so should men.

Some of the worst fighters I've ever seen at the dojo were guys who came in under the delusion that they could "handle themselves in a fight."

A whole lot of self defense is simply being alert and attuned to what's going on around you, trusting your gut, and having determination to keep your wits about you in a crisis.