MIA

Yes any dog can bite whoohoo you are a genius. Dogs were also bred for different reasons and have breed traits. Denying those traits only make for a dangerous ignorant situation which you can choose to live in. You dog is a star I am sure he will never do anything wrong in his life, I am sure his farts smell of roses too. Bren dogs are dogs first including pits, they are all CANINES, so yes your little perfect Dobe is the same as a pit, rott, poodle, whatever, get over it. IT'S A DOG.

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RedFawnRising

*scratching head*

Um, kinda confused as to exactly what point you are trying to make, and what you hope to accomplish, MIA?

Of course all canids can and may bite. Of course there are breed traits that should be recognized and that breed's needs met by their owners and handlers.

Many people should not have pets, period, imo, especially high-energy breeds whose intelligence is arguably higher than that of their human handlers.

Are Dobermans perfect?

Hmm, they come pretty darn close for me. For someone else, it might be a Chinese Crested or a Cavalier King Charles.

But, if you're trying to argue that Dobes are more likely to attack than many other breeds...uh, look up US Health Dept stats on dog bite incidents.

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MIA

You would have to go and read Bren's rants against pits and his ignorant statements against the breed.

The more I think about Bren and his ignorance I actually just feel sorry for him.

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Crow

Unfortunately we are living in a period where people are increasingly risk-averse, to an idiotic degree. It's not just with dogs: it's every damn thing. I have a friend who runs a riding school here in the UK and her insurance has shot through the roof in recent years because people these days seem not to accept that if you choose to go horse-riding then you must accept a small risk.

But the biggest killer and maimer of otherwise healthy people in the UK is car accidents and people still drive like maniacs so ... go figure!

We're developing cowardly societies in the Western world.

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Romo

It all started when a judge ruled in favor of some idiot that spilled his hot McDonald's coffee on himself and blamed McDonalds for not telling him it was hot.

*wheh...glad I finally got that off my chest* lol

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RedFawnRising

Ah, MIA, thanks for 'splaining me up!

I apparently stepped into the middle of something and got it all over my shoes.

I would go look up Bren's posts, but, to use Bren's term, I can't be arsed.

I live in the South--I get enough ignorance about dog problems being dog problems when they are actually people problems.

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Blitzkreig

Im all for wiping out the Mosquitos



Just realized i totally copied Lexus's post

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bren

I think you are a little unstable Mia, perhaps you should learn to read???? In every post I have acknowledged what a dobe can do I just do not place them in the same league as other dogs when it comes the the chances of them biting. As for my rants on pits? There is factual evidence from virtually any country in the world which shows that they are more likely to cause serious injury through biting than most other dogs. Also, argue if you will but a dobe is nowhere near as likely to bite as your average mutt on the street.



"Dogs were also bred for different reasons and have breed traits. Denying those traits only make for a dangerous ignorant situation which you can choose to live in. "

I don't deny anything, the trait of a protection dog is to be VERY stable in all situations and only attack when a threat is posed upon itself or it's handler. So erm... I guess that means that unless I or him are being attacked then his inbred traits mean that he will be a very stable dog not likely to cause harm to anyone or anything???

As far as my boy is concerned yes I have a lot of trust in him - the fact that he will turn and walk away from another dog which wishes to cause him harm rather than engage in conflict assures me that he is of a more stable temperament than most dogs I come accross.

I spent every waking hour socialising him as a puppy putting him through every situation I could think of where people and other dogs were available. A rule of thumb is to make sure that your puppy has met at least 50 people by the time it is 4 months old or something like that - Mine had met hundreds in loads of different situations, been on trains, in the busiest train station in the west midlands, walked through busy market places when he wasn't even knee high, stood next to lorries while they started and pissed himself at the time. He was placed amongst a myriad of other dogs from the day I bought him home from other pups to adults including russels to rotts and ridgebacks. In short I made sure that he went through every conceivable situation I could think of and still do and what I have acheived from that is a very stable dog who is afraid of little, and knows how to behave in virtually every situation he is placed in, fighting is the last thing on his mind and play is what he lives for. But yes as I have acknowledged in EVERY post previous he is still capable of serious damage. Capable being the apt word. I have done all I can to ensure this is the last thing on his mind and am confident that out of every dog we meet each day whilst walking that he is the least likely to cause any conflict - that is fact. Perhaps I can get a list of email address' from the owners of each dog that tries to get to me and Lexx over the next few days and you can write to them explaining that their beloved pets are demons - I would expect a couple of russels, a cairn terrier, a golden retriever and a few other lovely nice little dogs to be on the list - Oh and if my Lexx even thinks about lunging for another dog with the intention of biting I'll kick his head in just for you!

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delawareDobe

I wonder what would cause that Doberman in NY to attack that baby.....

Primo

There are Doberman owners here who support BSL? I haven't been here long but that is ABSOLUTELY hilarious. How ignorant one truly must be to own a dominant breed and support BSL. There was a point in time when the Doberman was stereotyped just like the Pit Bull/Amstaff and it certainly wasn't the Breeds fault. Anyone that supports BSL is as ignroant as they come. If you want to crack down on dog related fatalities and attacks, crack down on the ignroant owners of the world as well as the thugs and gang bangers. BSL is a crock of sh.it and I'm legitimately shocked that anyone on this board would support BSL.