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Old 04-23-2008, 01:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Q: from Nestor Macaraniag
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2004
Time: 12:31 AM

Comments: Doberman Conformation/Handling

I have a 4 month old male Doberman and 1 year old male Labrador. The two get along well together at the moment but I'm worried this may not last when my Dobe gets older. What should I do? Or is this fine at all?

A: from Susanne Smith, Alpha Dobermans, USA
I would be concerned about having 2 males of those two breeds together although it's possible they could get along, if they are both neutered, but it's often not the case. Once the pups get older, one or the other or both may decide they want to be boss. If one is submissive you may never have a problem, but if one doesn't want to take the "back seat" you may have a fight on your hands and once they fight, they will most likely fight again which can be very unsettling to witness.
It's also not fair to the dogs. You would have to keep them separated and that's a lot to have to worry about for years to come.

Keep a close eye on their behavior. Find someone to who is knowledgeable to help you learn about behavior and body language. If they start challenging each other, you may be wise to consider placing one in a good home.
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A: from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

Here are some answers to basically the same question about having two males together. Since you already have the two dogs, in particular read the answer from Anna Browning.

Previous answer from Darlene Young, Darwin Dobermans, USA

Annie, whether one male is neutered or not, I would not recommend having two males together in the same household. While occasionally you come across situations where two males will get along fine, most of the time it does not work. Your current boy being 18 months is not the issue either. He probably would get along fine with the new male while they were young but as they get older you most likely will find that they won't get along after
all. You should consider getting a female and spaying her.

Previous answer from Judy Doniere, Toledobes, USA

I would suggest you not get another male. They WILL fight and it may not be pretty. Males just do not get along and it isn't the way you raise them, it is simply a jealousy problem. Its something like trying to put two stallions together. They may get along for a while but sooner or later you will have a disaster on your hands. I'd suggest you neuter your male and find a nice female to be spayed and his companion and yours for life.

Previous answer from Marj Brooks, Manorie Dobermans, USA

It is not recommended that two male Dobermans be raised and live together in the same household. There is a high risk that they would not get along somewhere down the road and you could be faced with placing one of them. It
really isn't fair to them in the end. It can also be a nightmare for you too as you will always have to worry about them getting together and fighting. Besides, you're endangering yourself when separating them. Trust me, it would end up being a real drag. It is not a good thing in so many different ways.


Previous answer from Anna Browning, Windsor Dobermans, USA

Adding another Doberman to your household can be a wonderful experience if handled properly. There are many things to take into consideration, however, before adding another family member to your home.

First of all, consider the disposition of the existing dog. Is he shy, outgoing, dominant, laid back, etc.? This will figure into the type of dog you bring home. Secondly, make sure that you have ample time to devote to two Dobermans. Dobermans are very family-oriented dogs, and require a lot of attention and training from their humans. Given a choice, most Dobermans would rather be with people than other dogs. That's not to say that they don't like other dogs ... they do. It's just that they are truly a "people dog".

When introducing a new dog to a home that already has another dog, it must be done correctly and patiently. Introduce the dogs on neutral turf (a public park?), on-leash. Allow the new dog to follow the existing dog into your home. That way, the existing dog still maintains that "they were there first". Praise the "old" dog for behaving appropriately towards the new dog. If the old dog ignores the new dog, this is normal behavior. They will eventually investigate each other. Make sure that you are there whenever they interact. Do not leave them unsupervised until you are absolutely certain they will not harm each other. This can sometimes take several weeks. You should have an "alone" space for each of them. I use crates as a dog's personal space (I use this for rescue dogs coming into my home for foster care). They can go into their crate when I cannot supervise them or they just need a break.

Lastly, if you have an un-neutered male, I absolutely do NOT recommend that you get another male! While it might be okay in the beginning, more often than not, two male Dobermans in the same home will lead to disaster.

Doberman males tend to be territorial and this can lead to jealousy and serious fighting. Unless you are prepared to keep these dogs separated for the rest of their lives, do not bring another male into the home.

Having done Rescue work for 15 years, I can tell you from experience that having two males together rarely works out. We have gotten calls in the middle of the night, after there has been a serious fight, to come pick up one or both of the dogs. Many dogs end up in Emergency Vet from dog fights. We often hear "they used to get along so well..."

The ideal "two-dog" situation for pet owners would be a neutered male and a spayed female. This is generally the best combination for happy, well-adjusted companions.
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