I was able to go visit the dobes at Element dobes tonight & may get to check out the dobes at A list too. It is very exciting to go & meet the breeders, their dogs & ask them many questions. I hope it isn't too weird to go and visit a couple breeders & their dogs. Can't wait to get my first dobie now! I know it may be a couple years still after we hopefully get this house without a hitch & then have to save & put in a fence too.