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Funny how they talk about health testing, when so few European dogs have anything besides hips and maybe vWD done. And so far as I know, dogs in Europe don't need to have a ZTP to be bred.
 
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I'm not so sure that's a bad site. The owners of the website say they don't breed. They have lost two America bred dobermans to cvi and cancer. Were over in Europe and saw some dobermans, got interested again and bought a euro. Their euro was diagnosed with DCM this year.

They're like a lot of doberman owners, they've loved and lost.(

They are biased towards euro, but it looks like there's still a lot of good educational stuff on that site if one looks through it.

She's not 100% correct on some things though her intent is well placed.

Here is the site owner's story: http://www.texaseurodobermans.com/about-us.html
 
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I agree with Linda. These people don't seem to be breeding or selling anything. The site is informational. I might not agree with 100% of everything they say, but it looks like they are trying to do good.



I'm not so sure that's a bad site. The owners of the website say they don't breed. They have lost two America bred dobermans to cvi and cancer. Were over in Europe and saw some dobermans, got interested again and bought a euro. Their euro was diagnosed with DCM this year.

They're like a lot of doberman owners, they've loved and lost.(

They are biased towards euro, but it looks like there's still a lot of good educational stuff on that site if one looks through it.

She's not 100% correct on some things though her intent is well placed.

Here is the site owner's story: Texas European Dobermans -- About Us - texaseurodobermans
 
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I've never gone by Rosie, actually. I've always been called either Rosemary or Molly, and only my immediate family uses Molly.

I'm glad to see that cardio testing is becoming more prevalent. Here's hoping it becomes the norm, rather than the exception.
 
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Since I started this thread I think I'll add my 2 cents.
In my search for looking for a pup, I've been sidetracked by all the information out there about what's wrong with the breed. It seems that the websites I've come across are created by people who are opinionated one way or another. Trying to find anything fair and balanced has been a challenge. I'm glad to see some of you are recognizing that the intent by these people is ,overall, positive. Some of the links on that page lead to actual science based information. Very useful. Hopefully the science will lead to a more positive out look for the breed. I look past the opinions in search of facts.
 
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I'm glad to see you back.

I believe if euro supporters didn't feel the need to throw insults toward the America bred doberman, this polarization of sides wouldn't exist. And I'm not saying there isn't some merit to a few of their claims. However, you have to realize this happens between any breed where there is one side focused on working ability, another focused on conformation. The byb going with whichever side is selling pups at that point in time.

You should examine what your needs and desires are for your grown dog. What are your abilities to provide training and exercise because any doberman will need them, some much more than others. Both must be socialized, socialized, socialized.

Avoid any breeder bragging about oversize dogs, dogs that can do it all without titles to back those claims up. Don't believe those that say titles are not important, because they are very important, if for no other reason than to say the breeder cares about breeding the very best representatives of the breed he can and not about merely producing puppies to sell for profit.

For what it's worth, I own a boy from American show lines who owns my heart, so maybe I'm prejudice, but he has always gone forward to be between me and a possible threat. I have no doubt he could pass a WAC. Unfortunately, the only opportunities have been in July or August 125 miles away and my health won't allow hot weather. I would love to be able to try for his Wac.

Be sure to vet the breeder and the dogs thoroughly for what you want and actually need.

Good luck in your search. Remember it's new years and I'm celebrating somewhat. ;)
 
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I think there are plenty of insults and bias going both ways. My reason for posting this morning is this misconception that "there is one side focused on working ability, another focused on conformation". This is absolutely incorrect. These are all Doberman(n)s. All breeders have their own set of priorities. They may be of different style and some of the European countries do require a ZTP or equivalent while North America requires nothing, but this idea that one type is bred for one purpose and the other type bred for another does nothing to clarify this issue.
 
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I think there is some good information on this site as well as some incorrect information, such as this statement; "Remember, a "limited registration" means a dog cannot be shown in the AKC."
Overall, I believe these people are well intentioned and the majority of the information on their website is beneficial.
 
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How is that incorrect? Is there a loophole I wasn't aware of? I guess you can technically go in the ring but if you beat anyone then you have to send your 5 cent ribbon back(I got plenty of those nasty letters from AKC before I knew better but you already know this story lol) Or do you just mean on the technicality that it doesn't say "AKC conformation ring" because you can still show in OB?
 
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The only thing they can't show in is conformation. They can compete in everything else their breed is eligible for. The way it's worded, though, they make it sound like a limited registration dog can't show in any AKC event.
 
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I personally don't agree with a lot of the description of the American dobe, and I take a lot of personal offense to it. I don't think the look is feminine at all. I think it's clean, and crisp. If you say feminine then on the other side put "big dumb dog" look.

I think the American shows much more muscle tone in their leaner look then the Europeans who I think keep their dogs much too over weight (I think the US keeps their dogs overweight for the ring as well but maybe I think this because I have to force feed my bitch to make her ring ready). My Amer. bitch has a lot of lean muscle, she wears out the working dogs and the euros and is still ready to go but she can't keep up with them during the power playing because she lacks that bulk Power muscle. Plus, what is said is contradictory, if one is leaner than more muscle will show than if one is kept at a heavier weight.

Also, from what I've seen, euros tend to NOT have as tight of feet as the Americans and when they do they are equally as tight so there's no difference there. I can't speak to the size of the feet but to say I've never seen a euro and thought "dang, your dog has huge feet".

I also think many Euros have much too large of a chest compared to their rears and I'm waiting for this current exaggeration to make them fall arse over head one of these days. they also tend to lack the nice tuck up.

I'm not partial over either, I hope it doesn't seem that way (although I do prefer the American show ring stance over the euro). I was VERY close to purchasing a Euro. puppy and my current puppy is half euro. I just think what people state about the American bred dobe. makes for a HUGE turn off and really isn't that close to reality. I've encouraged many people to come to a show and see if they can't point out the difference when the dogs are in the ring and most, uneducated eyes, can't because they are very much more similar than people think.
 
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This discussion has gotten way off topic and devolved into the typical American vs. Euro debate.

A top quality, World Class Doberman Must be a Balance of Heavy Bone, Heavy Body, With Elegance, and Agility. Conformationally, too many of the American dogs are spindly, especially the males. Unfortunately, in Europe too many of them are too heavy and clumsy; Mollosoid (look it up).

Also unfortunately, the differences are much more pronounced in their working character and temperament than in conformation. I doubt that you would have so many of the Euro and Working crowd taking shots at the American dogs if they had more "gas in the tank." It is a fact that 2/3 of the American bred Dobermans cannot pass a simple WAE. A famous Dobermann breeder from the past from Germany used to say, "An American Doberman is like a sports car with no wheels. They are pretty to look at, but won't take you anywhere."

If you have read the article on our website, you should know that I am not in either camp and find good things in both types. Both need improvement also.

For All Doberman(n)s,
 
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Closing thread, since it's 8 years old.
 
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