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Old 02-01-2013, 08:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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My husband is in the miltary. I owned rescued Dobermans before. They lived to the age of 13-14yrs on a raw mixed diet. His co-worker knew I had experience with Dobermans, his aunt has a kennel. She mainly breeds huskies but had a pen of four Dobermans. She didn't want to deal with them anymore. They were covered in feces when we picked her up. They lived in a pen 24/7. She wanted to give us all the Dobermans,but I can't handle so many dogs with young children now.

I took the pregnant Doberman for free! She stunk to high heavens! We bathed her twice! Still a kennel smell. Skinny as a rail.. I cried because she is so unsocialized, I could not get her to come inside. I could not break through her shell. I was angry at my husband for putting more burden on me with a 4 yro and 1yro human baby. And she was bred in the kennel with another pure bred Doberman. Prob another Kimber or Hungs... But I am thankful he pushed me, my husband. I could break through, I could help this dog.

But now, after two weeks, she loves us. She is from Kimbertal/ Hung lines and and is very oversized. Can you give a Doberman an abortion medically, like a human? It makes me sick how she was treated.. I don't want to be a part of breeding nonsense. We will love her and teach her how to love people but she is not the breed standard nor will produce pups worthy/.

And how do I add pictures? Because this dog has come around soooo much in two weeks, she allows my kids to hug and maul her. And I love her too.
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Do you know how far along she is? Have you talked to your vet about doing an emergency spay?

Also, if the conditions at the womans' kennels are that bad, you really should report her to Animal Control.
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Do you know how far along she is? Have you talked to your vet about doing an emergency spay?

Also, if the conditions at the womans' kennels are that bad, you really should report her to Animal Control.
All of this.
Emergency spays happen but I think they need to happen by a certain point.
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Thank you for taking in this girl and treating her as she deserves to be treated.

I think the best thing is to talk to your vet to see what your options are. If she has to whelp the litter maybe you can connect with a dobe rescue so they could place the puppies.

Good luck and thanks again for rescuing her.
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They said she was due in next month, March. Yet I dont see signs of her being preggo. She is still thin. I am so proud of how she has come around in two weeks. She fimally plays and comes when called. She has bad anxiety when trasported, sometimes won't move. She claws the ground. How do I post pictures? So proud of how far she has come in two weeks! I will not give up on this dog!
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If she isn't due for another month yet, then you can absolutely do an emergency spay.... and I personally think that is the best thing you can do for her.
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Another vote for an emergency spay, best for all involved. She needs to be checked out ASAP by a vet anyway, and you can discuss the procedure with them, then.

There is a sticky in Gen Off Topic chat, on how to use photobucket to post a photo here, and yes, we'd love to see that girl.

What's her name?

What ended up happening with the other Dobermans in that pen?
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Her name is Gigi. I registered her to know her bloodlines, owners did give the papers. Idk if we can abort the puppies, my husband does not agree with his personal beliefs. He believes a life is a life. I just hate she is from such a horrible mess. Hung and Kimbertale=Oversized chaos! The others I couldn't rescue, I have two young children. They are with hispanics. we had to have a translators. [IMG]<a href="http://s1305.beta.photobucket.com/user/spidermama1/media/0201132027_zpsfd5e4e12.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s544/spidermama1/0201132027_zpsfd5e4e12.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 0201132027_zpsfd5e4e12.jpg"/></a>[/IMG]
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Her name is Gigi. I registered her to know her bloodlines, owners did give the papers. Idk if we can abort the puppies, my husband does not agree with his personal beliefs. He believes a life is a life. I just hate she is from such a horrible mess. Hung and Kimbertale=Oversized chaos! The others I couldn't rescue, I have two young children. They are with hispanics. we had to have a translators. [IMG]<a href="http://s1305.beta.photobucket.com/user/spidermama1/media/0201132027_zpsfd5e4e12.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1305.photobucket.com/albums/s544/spidermama1/0201132027_zpsfd5e4e12.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 0201132027_zpsfd5e4e12.jpg"/></a>[/IMG]
Looks like you maybe had a problem with your HTML code, there.

Try again, we'd really love to see GiGi.

I guess you and your husband will have to decide, but perhaps discuss with him how very many homeless Dobermans there are out there, suffering--many of them on death row, and how there truly aren't enough good adopters for them all.

Talk about how hard it is to properly raise and socialize a litter of puppies--and how that may not be fair to YOU--I'm assuming you will have it mostly on your shoulders, while still having all your other responsibilities with your kiddos and all.

If you give us a general location, we might be able to hook you up with a good Doberman rescue, who can discuss with you all the pros and cons of emergency spay, from their own experience. If you do ultimately decide to whelp the litter, hopefully they can guide you and help you screen homes for the pups.

You will likely want to make sure they all get spayed and neutered prior to being adopted--because otherwise you'll just be perpetuating that awful cycle--which you do seem to be familiar with, since you know Hungs and Kimbertal are bad news.

This will be very costly, of course, but it really must be done, in order to be responsible. Some of the ethical breeders on here can likely help you figure out all the other costs you will have, with the litter, as well as estimates of how many hours per day you will be adding to your busy schedule, for at least a couple months.

Thank you for getting her out of that pen--it would be great if we could work together to figure out some feasible way to get the other Dobermans away from there, too.
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the last doberman bitch in that kennel had been bred lost all six pups.Said they were smothered, but they prob, froze. I just could not stop myself. 3 bitches and one male. I took the preggo one. Maybe I can save some lives? Sounds stupid, I love the breed. I rescued and worked for Dobe rescue in my 20's. .
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Looks like you maybe had a problem with your HTML code, there.

Try again, we'd really love to see GiGi.

I guess you and your husband will have to decide, but perhaps discuss with him how very many homeless Dobermans there are out there, suffering--many of them on death row, and how there truly aren't enough good adopters for them all.

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If you give us a general location, we might be able to hook you up with a good Doberman rescue, who can discuss with you all the pros and cons of emergency spay, from their own experience. If you do ultimately decide to whelp the litter, hopefully they can guide you and help you screen homes for the pups.

You will likely want to make sure they all get spayed and neutered prior to being adopted--because otherwise you'll just be perpetuating that awful cycle--which you do seem to be familiar with, since you know Hungs and Kimbertal are bad news.

This will be very costly, of course, but it really must be done, in order to be responsible. Some of the ethical breeders on here can likely help you figure out all the other costs you will have, with the litter, as well as estimates of how many hours per day you will be adding to your busy schedule, for at least a couple months.

Thank you for getting her out of that pen--it would be great if we could work together to figure out some feasible way to get the other Dobermans away from there, too.


Did this work? She loves my babies!
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the last doberman bitch in that kennel had been bred lost all six pups.Said they were smothered, but they prob, froze. I just could not stop myself. 3 bitches and one male. I took the preggo one. Maybe I can save some lives? Sounds stupid, I love the breed. I rescued and worked for Dobe rescue in my 20's. .
No, it doesn't sound stupid at all, to want to save some lives.


The sad thing is, though, that we have to do it in a realistic and feasible way, or we'd tank under completely, and then no more dogs could ever get saved.

Sometimes, those who don't work in rescue think some of the decisions are harsh--and maybe they are, but they are decisions made with love and courage and with everyone's highest good in mind.

If you look at the big picture, it's only truly a "rescue," if the buck stops here. And by that, I mean, no more lives are endangered, no more dogs are made to suffer, and no more puppies are produced from the rescuer's actions.

What color is she? Are her tail and/or ears done? (Can you tell I'm really dying for a picture of that sweet girl? )
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Oh, you were apparently posting, while I was typing.

Looks like your babies love her, too!

Can you show some pics of her face, and her standing, from above and the side? Just thought some folks might be able to tell you if she looks pregnant to them--although, of course, only your vet can confirm or deny, really.
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So, realistically speaking, how are you going to find homes for six or more babes? Their shots? Her ultra sound? Docking? Cropping, even?
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Another vote here for an emergency spay. If she is so thin it will be hard on her body to deliver and care for young.

Thank you for taking this girl in and please report the person who has the other dogs.
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Really? You want to attack a person that rescued a Doberman? What?? I did not do enough by taking all four?

Yes, we will dock their tails, declaws and ears. My husband will use his tax refund to do so. You happy now?

I am more sad most of you don't care about the Dobermans I cannot save that are left. I have enough on my plate,

Are none of the people on this board postive? I was so heart broken because GiGi was so alienated from human life. To see her love my kids is such a big step!
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I would love to help you out by finding homes if you keep the pregnancy. I understand of the attacking on this because mine was a BYB and I had no idea until I researched further. It's awesome that you could save her and that you were able to get through to her. You can private message me info if you need help placing the puppies


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Really? You want to attack a person that rescued a Doberman? What?? I did not do enough by taking all four?
Who's attacking you? Everyone who has posted has given you good, solid advise.

Yes, we will dock their tails, declaws and ears. My husband will use his tax refund to do so. You happy now?
Shots can be anywhere from $8 to $50 per pup. Ear cropping can run in up to $500ish a pup. What if she has complications, and needs a c-section? That's easily $500+. Worst case scenario, what if she dies, and you have to hand-raise the entire litter? That's a job and a half.

I am more sad most of you don't care about the Dobermans I cannot save that are left. I have enough on my plate,
We do care about the Dobes you didn't take. That's why several of us have suggested you contact animal control to see if they can do anything about them.

Are none of the people on this board postive? I was so heart broken because GiGi was so alienated from human life. To see her love my kids is such a big step!
We are very positive, on the whole. However, a lot of people on here work in rescue. As in, the hard, nitty gritty work of rescue. It ain't always pretty.
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My husband is in the miltary. I owned rescued Dobermans before. They lived to the age of 13-14yrs on a raw mixed diet. His co-worker knew I had experience with Dobermans, his aunt has a kennel. She mainly breeds huskies but had a pen of four Dobermans. She didn't want to deal with them anymore. They were covered in feces when we picked her up. They lived in a pen 24/7. She wanted to give us all the Dobermans,but I can't handle so many dogs with young children now.

I took the pregnant Doberman for free! She stunk to high heavens! We bathed her twice! Still a kennel smell. Skinny as a rail.. I cried because she is so unsocialized, I could not get her to come inside. I could not break through her shell. I was angry at my husband for putting more burden on me with a 4 yro and 1yro human baby. And she was bred in the kennel with another pure bred Doberman. Prob another Kimber or Hungs... But I am thankful he pushed me, my husband. I could break through, I could help this dog.

But now, after two weeks, she loves us. She is from Kimbertal/ Hung lines and and is very oversized. Can you give a Doberman an abortion medically, like a human? It makes me sick how she was treated.. I don't want to be a part of breeding nonsense. We will love her and teach her how to love people but she is not the breed standard nor will produce pups worthy/.

And how do I add pictures? Because this dog has come around soooo much in two weeks, she allows my kids to hug and maul her. And I love her too.

Uh... bold mine. People are agreeing with you about the emergency spay.

The second part I bolded is a whooole other issue, but we will keep this short.


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Really? You want to attack a person that rescued a Doberman? What?? I did not do enough by taking all four?

Yes, we will dock their tails, declaws and ears. My husband will use his tax refund to do so. You happy now?

I am more sad most of you don't care about the Dobermans I cannot save that are left. I have enough on my plate,

Are none of the people on this board postive? I was so heart broken because GiGi was so alienated from human life. To see her love my kids is such a big step!
I read, and re-read this thread. Can you please point out the attack? I see a lot of "thank you for taking in this girl" and "yes, you can do an emergency spay" and "please post pics because we looove Dobermans".

What attack?
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Really? You want to attack a person that rescued a Doberman? What?? I did not do enough by taking all four?

Yes, we will dock their tails, declaws and ears. My husband will use his tax refund to do so. You happy now?

I am more sad most of you don't care about the Dobermans I cannot save that are left. I have enough on my plate,

Are none of the people on this board postive? I was so heart broken because GiGi was so alienated from human life. To see her love my kids is such a big step!
Um?

What the hell?

To whom are you speaking?

Who "attacked" you?

I am really baffled by your reaction here...

And, I honestly think you have no clue what you're taking on here, and have been trying to gently guide you into speaking with the very folks who will help you find out the information you need if you decide to go ahead with a litter--or to help you make the decision for an emergency spay.

Either way, it is always better to go into things with your eyes open, do you not agree?

I also find it pretty mean and rude of you to attack people who ALSO want to try to figure out a way to help the other Dobermans left in those horrible conditions you were describing.

I don't understand why you'd be against letting other people try to help them, too? Why?

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I would love to help you out by finding homes if you keep the pregnancy. I understand of the attacking on this because mine was a BYB and I had no idea until I researched further. It's awesome that you could save her and that you were able to get through to her. You can private message me info if you need help placing the puppies


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Whatever. Sorry, but you don't even ALMOST know.

If you didn't know any better then to purchase from a bad breeder, how can you possibly know enough to properly assist this person with a rescue litter from a poor girl who has compromised health to begin with?

What's your screening process, for good homes? How many successful adoptions have you performed, of rescued Dobermans, this year alone? Please, enlighten us.
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Go to the vet. Ask about pregnancy and spay/abort if necessary.

Follow up with destruction of the source/breeder of this mess with AC.
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Really? You want to attack a person that rescued a Doberman? What?? I did not do enough by taking all four?

Yes, we will dock their tails, declaws and ears. My husband will use his tax refund to do so. You happy now?

I am more sad most of you don't care about the Dobermans I cannot save that are left. I have enough on my plate,

Are none of the people on this board postive? I was so heart broken because GiGi was so alienated from human life. To see her love my kids is such a big step!
Hahahah, surely you jest!?! Think I will wait before thanking you, just to see where this is going. It's already veered in an unexpected direction.

Exactly how old is this pregnant rescue?

Female dobermans shouldn't even be bred till they are two years old. They are really still puppies till then. Seems a shame this girl will NEVER have any real puppyhood at all.
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