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Old 02-02-2013, 09:15 AM   #26 (permalink)
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This is the saddest thread I have seen in a LONG time.

"Puppies are cute!" You might say. HA NO WRONG. Puppies are idiots. I know that sounds harsh, but its true.

Years ago I bought a chihuahua on craigslist. She looked kind of chubby but no biggie. Two days later she had puppies. Oh, they were cute! BUT they got expensive QUICK. This $50 chihuahua cost me well into the $1000s, and the pups were not even CLOSE to breed standard. Dewclaws had to be removed, shots had to be given. Momma dog retained placentas and had to be rushed to the vet with her four hour old pups, in subzero January temps.

And then about three weeks into it, the pups started moving around. They took over the house. They stunk. They bit my kids. They were idiots.

Then I had the cost of spaying and neutering all six pups, and the headache of finding good homes for them. (At this point a rescue stepped in to help me by placing courtesy posts on petfinder.)

So yes. Puppies are cute. BUT THEY ARE ALSO JERKS. Just believe me on this. It is not, in any way shape or form, fun to have puppies. It is the exact opposite.

Do yourself, your family, and your new friend a favor and have an emergency spay done. Dogs like the ones you want to bring into the world are what give dobermans a bad name.


PS. My dogs are rescues, both originally came from BYBs. I love them to death - but I would never support a BYB to get a dog like this. You might say "Oh, people want puppies, they'll be easy to place!" WRONG AGAIN. My Buggles is only 6 months old, purebred from a BYB, and yes I rescued her. DOGS DESERVE BETTER.
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:17 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Just to clarify, in re-reading this, I look like a jerk. I'm not. I type the way I talk, which is loudly, with large, unnecessary arm movements. No attack of any kind is intended here.
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Where are you located? If you're not going to go through with the emergency spay, perhaps you can get her puppies listed with a reputable rescue. That way you wont be responsible for all of the vet costs and they will go to homes that are properly screened and will already be fixed. Also I would second calling animal control on them. If she is willing to give up the dogs, perhaps the rescue you hook up with would be able to find appropriate foster homes for the remaining three dogs.
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I...don't know why you feel attacked. But, own your feelings, that's cool.

Poor little girl does look very skinny I'm glad she's safe now.
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IMO just by reading through this whole thread I feel like the OP felt attacked because she felt overwhelmed by all the posters telling her to do an emergency spay after she stated that her husband doesn't believe in abortions.
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Just to clarify, in re-reading this, I look like a jerk. I'm not. I type the way I talk, which is loudly, with large, unnecessary arm movements. No attack of any kind is intended here.
I usually knock things over, or accidentally clock myself, or nearby unfortunate people

OP, if you're still reading, I hope you've calmed down, re-read, and can see the sincere good intentions and desire to help, here.
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You really can't equate doing an emergency spay with a human abortion. Plenty of people who are anti abortion would do an emergency spay in your situation. As much as we love our dogs, they are not human and we need to do what is best for them. Having a litter is really not what is best for this girl.

As a breeder of champion Dobermans, I can tell you how hard whelping and raising a litter is AND how expensive it is. But it does not end with the placement of each puppy in an excellent and well researched home - it is a lifetime commitment.

You don't know the health background of these dogs or overall temperaments. You could be in for a world of expense and heartache. The miracle of birth could well be the miracle of death and do you really want your children exposed to that?? Even puppies with the optimum start can die and have issues, healthy bitches can have problems giving birth and may not be able to feed their puppies or may be aggressive. Are you really prepared for that? A new litter of healthy puppies is almost a 24 hour a day job for weeks on end - very stressful. A litter with issues could break you both financially and emotionally. Add to that the difficulty in finding not just homes, but GOOD homes. It is hard work even for a breeder who has waiting lists for well bred puppies. You don't want even one puppy ending up back in the kind of situation you got the bitch out of do you? It is a huge responsibility being responsible for the well being of a litter of puppies, and you always worry about them for their entire life ..... if you care about the breed - which I hope you really do.

Truly for the bitch - who btw looks very thin and not exactly healthy, an emergency spay would be a blessing.
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OP, if you're still reading, I hope you've calmed down, re-read, and can see the sincere good intentions and desire to help, here.
I read and re-read this thread. I have also seen some "attacks" on here that quite frankly has left me sleepless at night. None lasting longer than two or three minutes, but still <w>. Finding the attack in this thread has been harder than finding Sam and Mack's Mom, I'm just not seeing it.

I thought it was awesome advice, just don't let something like misreading an emotion in something sterile like this scare you away from getting more excellent advice.


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That is awesome ! It's going to become a DT saying on here for sure...
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------------------------------------------But now, after two weeks, she loves us. She is from Kimbertal/ Hung lines and and is very oversized. Can you give a Doberman an abortion medically, like a human? It makes me sick how she was treated.. I don't want to be a part of breeding nonsense. We will love her and teach her how to love people but she is not the breed standard nor will produce pups worthy/.
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IMO just by reading through this whole thread I feel like the OP felt attacked because she felt overwhelmed by all the posters telling her to do an emergency spay after she stated that her husband doesn't believe in abortions.
Considering the OP asked specifically if you could abort a litter, I don't see how suggesting an emergency spay could be contrued as an "attack". In a lot of cases, an emergency spay is kinder to the bitch than having her whelp the litter.
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IMO just by reading through this whole thread I feel like the OP felt attacked because she felt overwhelmed by all the posters telling her to do an emergency spay after she stated that her husband doesn't believe in abortions.
I think she knew how her husband felt about abortions before she posted specifically asking us if one was possible. Maybe didn't know it would apply to dogs tho. I just hope they didn't start seeing $ signs. It's gonna be interesting trying to get a signature from the male's owner to register the litter. Seriously!!!

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You really can't equate doing an emergency spay with a human abortion. Plenty of people who are anti abortion would do an emergency spay in your situation. As much as we love our dogs, they are not human and we need to do what is best for them. Having a litter is really not what is best for this girl.

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You don't know the health background of these dogs or overall temperaments. You could be in for a world of expense and heartache. The miracle of birth could well be the miracle of death and do you really want your children exposed to that?? Even puppies with the optimum start can die and have issues, healthy bitches can have problems giving birth and may not be able to feed their puppies or may be aggressive. Are you really prepared for that? A new litter of healthy puppies is almost a 24 hour a day job for weeks on end - very stressful. A litter with issues could break you both financially and emotionally. Add to that the difficulty in finding not just homes, but GOOD homes. It is hard work even for a breeder who has waiting lists for well bred puppies. You don't want even one puppy ending up back in the kind of situation you got the bitch out of do you? It is a huge responsibility being responsible for the well being of a litter of puppies, and you always worry about them for their entire life ..... if you care about the breed - which I hope you really do.

Truly for the bitch - who btw looks very thin and not exactly healthy, an emergency spay would be a blessing.
You're totally right about a bitch getting aggressive with puppies. I had forgotten how aggressive my bitch got. She would get very upset if anyone visited, NO ONE wanted to try to see the puppies. She was normally a friendly bitch, too.
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I think she knew how her husband felt about abortions before she posted specifically asking us if one was possible. Maybe didn't know it would apply to dogs tho. I just hope they didn't start seeing $ signs. It's gonna be interesting trying to get a signature from the male's owner to register the litter. Seriously!!!


You're totally right about a bitch getting aggressive with puppies. I had forgotten how aggressive my bitch got. She would get very upset if anyone visited, NO ONE wanted to try to see the puppies. She was normally a friendly bitch, too.
Bold, mine.

Ah, that's not a problem.

Pups are listed ALL. THE. TIME. on Craigslist, in ad bulletins and so forth, as "pure bread but no papers" (sic)

And people buy them. Sigh.

No wonder we can't keep track of health issues in our breed, not to mention all the other problems in situations like this.
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I don't know where you are located, but I can home one of the pups. I do a lot of fostering and I can take on the cost of a neuter and ear crop from you. Let me know.
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Just wanted to let you all know about Gigi. I assumed she was pregnant because she was kept in a kennel with a male. Turns out she was not, thank G@d! She was spayed on 2/16. Contacted animal control regarding the owners of the other dogs; and they basically laughed at me, it is south, if dogs have covering and shelter it is a mute point,. Basically livestock. We had a pitbull chase me and my two children down our rural road and animal control told me I needed to carry a gun. Shoot the dog? Really?But Gigi is well, gaining weight, socializing well.
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I will ask my husband if the other Dobermans are still there(she is mostly breeding huskies). His miltitary friend's Mom breeder is hispanic. We have to have a translator. There were two more black bitches and one red male last time I was there. Their ears are cropped but don't always stand, the short time I saw them. If I can get them out, would anyone want to adopt them?I will even pay for them, my husband is a combat friend to her son. Animal control thinks I am crazy. They have a roof over their head and fed.
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To post pictures, most of us use Photobucket or some other online photo storage/sharing site. Once you upload the your pictures to the site, you can copy the link codes, and just paste them into your posts.
Thank you. I was wondering the same thing.
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I will ask my husband if the other Dobermans are still there(she is mostly breeding huskies). His miltitary friend's Mom breeder is hispanic. We have to have a translator. There were two more black bitches and one red male last time I was there. Their ears are cropped but don't always stand, the short time I saw them. If I can get them out, would anyone want to adopt them?I will even pay for them, my husband is a combat friend to her son. Animal control thinks I am crazy. They have a roof over their head and fed.
First, thank you for updating us on GiGi, glad to hear she is now safely spayed, and doing well as a member of your family.

We'd love more pics of her, she is awful cute, and it'd be nice to see how she's filling out now with good food and all.

I think we still don't even know your general area, and it would be hard to get folks lined up to help the other Dobermans, without at least knowing the geography.

You have to be really careful about who you adopt to--I am sure you know this, but just as a reminder--just because someone is a member here, or reads about the situation here, does not automatically make them an excellent adoption candidate. You'll probably want some help screening folks and checking out their home situation.

Even longtime, very experienced, very careful rescue agencies have been bamboozled, over the years, sadly, so you have to really do all you can, to try to prevent that. (Global "you," not you specifically)

If you can give us an idea of the location, we can see if there are any members nearby or help put you in contact with a local rescue, or make other helpful suggestions, hopefully.
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