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Old 01-24-2013, 06:07 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Dhttp://www.wellpaws.com/Don't know where you are located but people come from out of state for this rehab vet.


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She works with a lot of injuries of this type. I really hope you are pursuing legal action. this is a case where it is really needed.

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Thanks for posting pictures of your beautiful girl. Sending lots of good thoughts and prayers. Please keep us updated.
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wow, is all I can say. I am in tears reading your story. Your Nova is very lucky that you are her human and willing to what you need to make her whole again. I would be doing the same thing. I hope things work out for you and her and that she recovers. Good luck
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No advice. Just want to say so sorry you and Nova are going through this. There's definitely spark in that girls eyes. Sending hugs and prayers.
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I work at a vet hospital with a board certified neurologist and a great rehab team/facility. We currently are seeing a golden retriever who is paralyzed in her hind end and that includes having to manually express her bladder. She has a cart and a Help 'Em Up Harness. She is the happiest dog and loves her owners and it doesn't seem to affect her mentally at all. They had brought her to board with us but now just bring her in several times every week. I can't not remember off the top of my head what caused her to be paralyzed but she is non surgical so rehab is the only option, and they are working very diligently to try to get her to walk again.

On a positive note, I've heard of the neuro patients who go through surgery for disks that are non ambulatory who can take months before they walk again. Some take only hours or days, but some take longer. Unfortunately, with the neuro patients there is no set answer, which can be so frustrating.

You said she doesn't like water, but does the facility you have her at have an underwater treadmill? The ones at the hospital where I work fill from the bottom and even dogs who don't like water seem to enjoy being in them. I put my dobe in there just for conditioning and he's not a huge fan of water other than up to his chest, so that's as high as I filled it.



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K9 Carts - Dog Wheelchair | K9 Carts The Pet Mobility Experts
Eddie's Wheels (I think I saw this linked in another post) - Eddie's Wheels | Dog Carts and Dog Wheelchairs for Handicapped Pets

I know you said you are in NY and she already had one surgery but I'll PM you with the info from my hospital in MD (no harm in getting another opinion!)

Best of luck with Miss Nova! Hugs and dober nosepokes from Torque and I!
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I am so sorry this happened. She is a beautiful girl. And I agree, she does not look like she has given up. So hang in there. If she's ready to go you'll know it by looking at her. Good luck to both of you! I hope she gets better every day.
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Im so sorry You're an amazing pet owner, doing absolutely everything in your power- keep going, she sounds like she is recovering, just slowly. Good idea to talk to some Dachshund owners, they can relate much better to this problem particularly. Also, if she is in a University setting, there would be doctors of all sorts (including homeopathic) and perhaps they could help you with some of your medical questions and other options. If it were me and I had already come this far, I would certainly continue from here in hope of more substancial recovery. You could consider a law suit against the owners of the other dogs, for help with your medical bills? But either way, she is so lucky to have an awesome parent like you . Get well soon Nova!
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1. First and foremost, am I doing the right thing by her and not just being selfish in my desire to keep her with me. At this point in time I feel pretty strongly and confidently I am, though at points in this journey I was uncertain because well nobody knows how this will turn out. She might start walking any day now or might not. I can see that right now she is not ready to be put down, she is fighting like hell to get up, at points there is this kind of despairing and temper tantrums of I'm not going to even try for a little while but she has always put effort into it again. However how long this will last, I don't know. I like to think I can intuit a lot of what she is feeling after so long and being so close but I also do not want to be delusional. So, for anyone else who has been in the unfortunate situation of needing to put their dog to sleep, what were the signs that made you realize that it was time? I am completely optimistic at current for her, I do not want to put her down, but I am also trying to brace myself and gauge honestly. She could keep living in this state for a very long time, even improved from her current condition, but it is no kind of life for a dog, not being able to walk at all. And I want to be as certain as I can that she is still on board with this.


Yes I have been though this 17 years ago with my male Dobie - Butler
We brought him home but he never regained control over his bladder and we had to catheterize him three times a day, he just pooped where he lay.
We converted part of the house and installed a car engine hoist to enable us to lift him and try to encourage him to used his legs.
the vets kept telling us to carry on and he would eventually get better but we made the decision to let him go and will always stand by it.

Medical advancements since then have come along way and things are much more advanced now with alternative treatment and therapy. But we new the right time had come to let him go and no one would or could have persuaded us otherwise, you will know in your heart and if she is still fighting to get better then you will also know that you are doing the right thing



3. When to bring her home. One of the ways I can cut costs is if I bring her home for the night, and then drop her off in the morning and leave her for rehab during the day. Now, I am a full time student at current, live alone in an apartment, and I also volunteer for night crews on an ambulance so those nights I'd probably have to keep her or bring her to the station with me. Obviously I'd need her to be able to go to the bathroom without needing two people for assistance as she does now. But I was wondering how much better shed have to be for me to handle her. I can lift and carry her on my own, and I am looking to get a wagon, if anyone has any suggestions for that, and I did get a halter from helpemup.com which has made it easier to move her around. So anyone who has any suggestions for ways and things that might make it easier for me to handle her on my own for the night and eventually hopefully for good, that would be fantastic.

I have bought this Ruffwear DoubleBack Harness for D'arcy (both back legs operated on) to help me lift her in and out of the car and help support her whilst going outside for toilet stops.
Its not that easy to get on, a bit fiddly, but it is very well made and I can lift her up stairs on my own with no problem plus because of how it distribute the weight she doesn't object or struggle in the least.
There is a carry handle over the withers and one over the back hips
I would check with your surgeon though before using one, you may need something tailor made for spinal problems


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Ear rubs to your pretty girl.

Cold laser therapy rocks. I'd certainly try it with her.

I second the suggestion on the H20 treadmill, as well.

In case she may need some braces for her recovery, check out doggleggs and also OrthoPets in Colorado. There are some real shady characters out there, not really trained to do dog orthotics, but that one in CO is run by ortho vets.

I noticed she has some vet wrap deal on her carpal joints, so thought I'd suggest those orthotics/brace options.

Hang in there with her. She will guide you as to fighting the good fight.
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Thank you so much again for all of the comments. Trying to look into everything all at once it seems haha. I am having a bit of a hard time finding an acupuncturist in the area that looks good, but I have been finding these articles and a blog of a vet who does the cold laser treatments. However I can't seem to find her website or a phone number or place of business.

Nova does have a harness from helpemup.com but I am going to look and if there is one better for her or perhaps that is it. I do not know about the wagons yet, they look like such a great idea but if it would fit her or if she's at that point yet I don't know. I think there is talk of trying the underwater treadmill this week, she had attempted it at the facility in florida with small success but maybe now, further along, it'll go much better. You guys have brought up lots of things for me to discuss with the vet/neurologist tomorrow when I go in to discuss Nova's treatment for next week and how to proceed. So I thank you all truly again for that once again, that I can bring some options on the table that might work for her.

Encouragingly when I came in today she got up onto her chest!! She could only hold herself up like that for maybe 90 seconds before flopping back down but I was so excited. This was after having done her exercises on the medicine ball thing too, so she was quite tired out. I get so encouraged and yet so sad every time I visit her.

Her spirits seem up today but I was noticing the muscle atrophy starkly today, I am really hoping it is not quite as severe as it looks.

Another thing I had observed while there, since I was chilling in the back there, was a woman putting in a catheter/IV for a pup on his way to surgery from what I could gather. I honestly was not paying close attention to what was going on around me, but it set off an alarm in my head because she was not wearing gloves, since I do volunteer on an ambulance. Now, I understand that with dogs it maybe a different kind of deal, which is what the tech in charge of Nova told me. But I had also observed now that it caught my attention, besides it taking this woman multiple attempts to get it done, that she had gotten blood on her left hand. She then proceeded to spray down the area..with blood still clearly visible rolling down her left hand which she did hold a bit out of the way, and then fill out some paper work, mess with some more tools, put her hands in her pocket which I believe around now she had wiped it off with a tissue. Then, she leaves the room for about 30 seconds then comes back and starts care handling another dog. I was completely aghast and I was informed she does not and will not handle my dog, and that it does sound like potentially inappropriate behavior so she will be talked to. But is that normal behavior? Like is this something that would affect the patients in this hospital or is that just me being a bit of a hypochondriac? I don't think I know enough about let medicine to be certain but yeah. The place overall seems clean and the doctors knowledgable and this I the first instance I've seen of anything even mildly alarming there.





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I have no idea what's going on with her coat on the shoulder there, it's been there a week or so now.




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She is so cute.

I think you did the right thing, in questioning that staff's behavior. That would be considered exceedingly sloppy and unsanitary, at best, at any vet clinic I know.
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My Doberman had a slipped disc at 6 years old. Accupunture helped alot with the swelling and she gained some mobility as well.
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Also remembered I saw a pvc pipe 4 wheel cart with a sling for the dog to wear held the dog up the people encouraged the dog to walk. Seemed to be helping that dog Hugs to you both.
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Wow, I am so sorry. I would get an attorney from a large local law firm. You need to protect your rights. If you wait too long, they may expire.

I have two Dobermans. I am so sorry that happened to you and your dog. It must have been awful.

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Old 01-28-2013, 12:39 AM   #42 (permalink)
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It may be the start of a bed sore on her shoulder is she being turned at least every two hours hard to tell by the picture I would keep an eye on it.
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Just came across this thread.

I am so sorry this has happened, Toby and I wish your girl a full recovery and send hugs and nosepokes to help this along.

I third you need to get legal advice. Whilst the owners of the dogs have said they will pay your girls vets bills I would bet that when you give them anything above a few hundred dollars they will tell you they aren't going to pay and you could end up being either financially up the creek without a paddle or worse have to make a decision regarding whether or not to have your girl PTS because you cannot afford any more treatment.

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I want to thank you all again for the advice and kind words. I have been around lurking on my phone but I have not gotten a chance to write up a response, as I also had a death in the family and other things to handle.

Nova is still around, doing ok, she is chilling in the yard in the sun right now for a bit. I have been taking her home for the weekends and during the week she stays at the hospital five days a week, getting at current daily massages, cold laser therapy twice a day, up on the medicine ball multiple times a day. They have been trying the underwater treadmill but she did not really respond well to it, so they actually have tried filling it up with ball pen balls, like the ones in play pens, and have somewhat gotten her to attempt to get moving.

The major problem is motivating her at current to move. I can get her trying sometimes but for anyone else, in particular those at the hospital, she sometimes entirely just gives up and will not even try for long periods. Treats will work for a day or so until she gets bored or they lose their appeal or something. I keep dropping off something different for them to try, but if anyone has anything in this respect that might work by all means share. Tennis balls now seem to have appeal occasionally as well but still not the same as before since that she cannot chase them, they used to be her favorite. She has almost entirely been ignoring squeaky toys, someone even brought in these hamster toys that run around on their own on wheels and make noises. She's fascinated by them but I think somewhat terrified haha. Even tried holding a cat who is used to dogs in front of her and no reaction, and she does have some dog buddies they let hang out with her but nothing getting her to get up.

Besides this, she has another urinary track infection, and has been getting some skin tags. Her belly has been getting all red and irritated and kind of smells. It's the area in between her legs where the skin kind of folds in when she lies on her side. I keep on trying to have the area aired out and I have actually just recently bathed her of sorts in my shower. I said something to the vet a couple times and they just say they'll keep an eye on it but yeah. I also have noticed this week that the bottom of her paws look off, like she might have some kind of infection or fungi or something that I plan on bringing to the notice of the vet. She also has had some thinning of her coat around where the harness to help her up usually rests against her skin, the poor dear.

Otherwise, she has improved since I last updated but not for the last two weeks. She can sit up somewhat on her own on one side but not the other. She is off muscle relaxants but cannot lie comfortably in sphinx position even still, her front legs stiffen out most of the time into the superman look when placed into this position and she almost always kicks out her back legs.. She cries now almost every time I leave the room that she is in. There is movement in all four legs thankfully but once again it's hard to even know what she can fully do and to push her since well, a lot of the time she will not even try for me. It is now just over 8 weeks since she has had surgery. I have, unfortunately, had some discussions about putting her to sleep. I would, obviously, really rather not, but this giving up on her part, the random extra health issues that keep popping up, the effort of care for her all on my own essentially (more the heartache of it than the actual physical effort, it breaks my heart this lifestyle for my doberman and what I see her going through, plus I get all kinds of nightmares and daydreams which induce a kind of anxiety attack that suddenly something awful is going to go wrong, that I will slip or trip and fall while carrying her and she'll break her back and die horribly in front of me in pain or I will get injured or something will happen while she's at the hospital and I'm not there or if I leave her at my place alone for even an hour and she can't get something or move and she needs to and just all kinds of the sort), and other factors have contributed to heading towards this decision. This will not happen for another two to four weeks at least, but if six weeks out she has not started to make real progress towards standing up I feel like I might have to go through with euthanasia. It feels like murder to me honestly but I do not know.

All that being said, I do plan on redoubling my efforts in this time to see if I can really push for something here. I have been asking around for an acupuncturist and I think I may have found one near my parents, though that is still in the works. I have also just started to research chiropractors for dogs, if anyone has any experience with that or know if it is any good. I will also definitely before doing anything take her to see another vet for another opinion.


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A great and kind chiropractor is why my Whisper is doing so well today. I hope you get a miracle turn around and soon, for both your sake, and the sake of your girl.

That said...euthanasia is not murder. It is a kind and courageous gift, a final act we can offer selflessly, to our beloved four-leggeds.

If you do come to that place, do it with love, not with fear and guilt.
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I was going to suggest the cold laser therapy as I have started using it in my back cases and I have seen a big difference in pain levels in those dogs, but I see you are already doing that. Like someone else said... sometimes it takes MONTHS.. I had a patient who I gave their mom very little chance (like close to zero) chances of walking again... and I think it just made them THAT more determined to show me that I know NOTHING! Two months later I saw her walk. That said... it doesn't always happen that way, and the not knowing really makes it hard to know what is best. I would let her attitude guide you... She will let you know if she is done fighting.

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Might use fleece pad in the sling ,could be yeast infection on her belly and back areas you can use baby wipes the unscented ones to clean her belly & back end areas. could some one make a pvc pipe mobility cart for her sling in the middle for front and back legs goes across the belly basically holds her whole body up with 4 wheels 2 in front 2 in back. Would maybe help her walk, use a flirt pole with a real squirrel tail on the end. like a carrot in front of a donkey type thing to get her interested. Good Luck more Hugs & Rays.
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