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Old 01-18-2013, 10:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Ginger is incontinent....

Canine Urinary Incontinence (CUI) is common older spayed dobermans....ok....but Ginger is only 2 1/2. I am upset! She has take medicine for life now.
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Hey it happens. Females of all species have lots of issues to potentially look forward to . Did you read the responses in your other thread. Myself and Sherryh suggested trying cornsilk before putting her on medication. Herb2relax also tried cornsilk but it unfortunately did not help her girl.

It is upsetting and I am not making light of it. I have just had more time to process and deal with Coco's incontinence and figure out what works best for us. Hang in there it will be ok.
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I don't know what you feed but I'm able to control Tali's incontinence entirely by diet. When she eats grain-free kibble - absolutely no leaking. If she eats anything else - water works within a few days.

I've given her Proin before but have been able to not give it for the last year or so. I thought maybe it was temporary incontinence so I changed her diet for a few weeks and found out she definitely still has incontinence when she eats grains. So as long as I feed her Acana, she doesn't have to take Proin, and she doesn't leak a bit. Just a thought.

Also, don't worry too much. Tali has been incontinent since about 2.5-3 years of age. I think it's a fairly common age for it to pop up.
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Hey it happens. Females of all species have lots of issues to potentially look forward to . Did you read the responses in your other thread. Myself and Sherryh suggested trying cornsilk before putting her on medication. Herb2relax also tried cornsilk but it unfortunately did not help her girl.

It is upsetting and I am not making light of it. I have just had more time to process and deal with Coco's incontinence and figure out what works best for us. Hang in there it will be ok.
I must be losing my mind...I totally forgot I posted that..Sorry for posting twice on same topic. I just paid the vet $50 for a bottle of Proin, researched as soon as I got home and saw internet has it for about 1/2 price!
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Also had urine checked today, it was clean.
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You have been worried about Ginger and it is understandable. Good luck finding the medication cheaper online or read up on cornsilk as it is much cheaper and more natural.
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Proin is also potentially extremely dangerous (it's the same drug, Dexatrim, that was taken off the market for causing CVA in humans). I would encourage you to do research and look into alternatives.

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You have had her urine checked excellent . I give my female a cranberry capsule one a day. I started her with one capsule of corn silk 450 mg. I just changed this past year 2 capsules of corn silk 450mg daily . We potty her every 2 hours or less I can do this because I work from home. I'm holistic meds only so read and talk with your vet.
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I just called the vet back with my concerns and I am waiting for a return call.
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Dobes are one of many breeds prone to spay incontinence (leaking at a younger age due to *usually* an early in life spay) the others have given you some great suggestions. Incontinence can be tricky to deal with but when you find a routine that works stick with it. We had my previous dog, a lab, on proin for the last 2 years of her life, she tolerated them wonderfully and they worked. If we skipped the morning she leaked by that night though so regardless of what you use, be consistent!

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Dobes are one of many breeds prone to spay incontinence (leaking at a younger age due to *usually* an early in life spay) the others have given you some great suggestions. Incontinence can be tricky to deal with but when you find a routine that works stick with it. We had my previous dog, a lab, on proin for the last 2 years of her life, she tolerated them wonderfully and they worked. If we skipped the morning she leaked by that night though so regardless of what you use, be consistent!

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Thanks for the hugs, Yes, I told her lol. I didn't have her spayed until she was 16 months old...is that considered early?
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Thanks for the hugs, Yes, I told her lol. I didn't have her spayed until she was 16 months old...is that considered early?


That isn't considered early no, but usually an early spay is the cause, there is still the chance that any bitch can become incontinent after a spay.
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That isn't considered early no, but usually an early spay is the cause, there is still the chance that any bitch can become incontinent after a spay.
I wish I would have known that, I probably wouldn't have spayed her. I spay/neuter all my pets so not produce unwanted offspring. I thought I was being a responsible pet owner. Sigh.......
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Please don't feel guilty, it's a risk in any breed and honestly I know a family friend who had a hysterectomy and now tends to leak a bit, especially if she sneezes/laughs/etc, and you are still a good pet owner, leaking urine is much better than her going through an accidental litter and all that entails!
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All of my girls were incontinent. Roxy my current girl has been on Proin for 5 years. One pill once a day. she is the only one that started at an early age, same as your girl.
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All of my girls were incontinent. Roxy my current girl has been on Proin for 5 years. One pill once a day. she is the only one that started at an early age, same as your girl.
The Proin and CHF have me worried. Some say yes, some say no...I just don't know what to do.
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Please don't feel guilty, it's a risk in any breed and honestly I know a family friend who had a hysterectomy and now tends to leak a bit, especially if she sneezes/laughs/etc, and you are still a good pet owner, leaking urine is much better than her going through an accidental litter and all that entails!
Heck I've had two kids and if I sneeze I leak too - LOL!! To the OP - don't worry about why she has incontinence. You just have to deal with it and luckily there are several methods to try. I maintained a bitch on Proin for 9 years with no issues, but I do agree to find the lowest dose that works for her. I also maintained another bitch that became incontinent at age 8 after being spayed at age 2 1/2 - she did well on DES for about a year but then we had to switch to proin - that worked well till she died.
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Heck I've had two kids and if I sneeze I leak too - LOL!! To the OP - don't worry about why she has incontinence. You just have to deal with it and luckily there are several methods to try. I maintained a bitch on Proin for 9 years with no issues, but I do agree to find the lowest dose that works for her. I also maintained another bitch that became incontinent at age 8 after being spayed at age 2 1/2 - she did well on DES for about a year but then we had to switch to proin - that worked well till she died.
Well, now that you put that way...I have had 4 kids, 2 singles and twins. I don't go to comedy shows...lol. That being said, at least I don't pee the bed at night! It is nice to know that you had long term usuage and it was ok. I just want her to have the best care.
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Heck I've had two kids and if I sneeze I leak too - LOL!! To the OP - don't worry about why she has incontinence. You just have to deal with it and luckily there are several methods to try. I maintained a bitch on Proin for 9 years with no issues, but I do agree to find the lowest dose that works for her. I also maintained another bitch that became incontinent at age 8 after being spayed at age 2 1/2 - she did well on DES for about a year but then we had to switch to proin - that worked well till she died.
She had two kids prior to it as well! Haha us girls (of any! species) need to stick together

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Must be something in the water here. My cat had cystitis, my dog is incontinent and my daughter has a UTI....expensive month here....Cat is female too...
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Old 03-09-2013, 04:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Update on Ginger

Since she has been on medicine she has not had a problem with incontinance, but now she needs to go out in the middle of the night and pee, a large amount of pee. Is this due to the medication or the incontinent problem or possibly both? I know she needs the meds because I have forgotten once or twice since she was on it and she had accidents both times.
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Since she has been on medicine she has not had a problem with incontinance, but now she needs to go out in the middle of the night and pee, a large amount of pee. Is this due to the medication or the incontinent problem or possibly both? I know she needs the meds because I have forgotten once or twice since she was on it and she had accidents both times.
Has she had in increase in water intake? The medicine should be helping her last through the night, but if she is drinking more (especially before bed) a full bladder is a full bladder! Lol
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Both of my doberbrats drink a large amount of water, but Sampson can hold it all night. I guess I could limit her water, but she will wake me in the night for that too. I guess a call to the vet is in order for Monday.
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Both of my doberbrats drink a large amount of water, but Sampson can hold it all night. I guess I could limit her water, but she will wake me in the night for that too. I guess a call to the vet is in order for Monday.
I'd be exploring why she's so thirsty and try taking the water away a half hour before bed. I've never had a dog wake me in the night for water minus my cushionoid lab due to her condition.
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I wish I would have known that, I probably wouldn't have spayed her. I spay/neuter all my pets so not produce unwanted offspring. I thought I was being a responsible pet owner. Sigh.......
There are a good many intact bitches who are incontinent and enough bitches who had pediatric spays (under 12 weeks) who aren't that it's just sort of the luck of the draw.

Large breed bitches tend to leak much more often than small and medium sized breeds.

The ppa which is the active ingredient in Proin is much less likely to cause CVA's in dogs than in people--there is a long complicated explanation as to why, that you can find by going through Google and reading the various sites. The problem that some bitches have is that they become very reactive--that's corrected by taking them off Proin but it's a problem that exists but isn't terribly common.

Corn silk works for some bitches, no grain works for others. You can only check those out by trying them. And most vet clinics will give you a written prescription if it turns out that Proin is what works for her so that you can buy on line.

Also DES is another possiblity--it was also withdrawn from the market of pharmaceuticals for human use because of the problems with women. It's another thing that really doesn't cause the same sort of problems with bitches--has to do with shorter life spans and higher metabolisms. That you'd have to have your vet give a prescription for and have it compounded by a pharmacy. For some bitches it's the best solution as there is a loading dose and then the dose is reduced until the bitch starts to leak again. I have several friends with bitches on DES--several of them take just one tablet a week, some twice a week. Usually doesn't have any side effects.
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