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Old 01-15-2013, 08:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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How often do I gave my puppy heartworm prevention?

Mika is now 9 weeks old, turning 10 soon. Her last heartworm medication was done by breeder a week before giving me her when she was 8 weeks old. The breeder told me the heartworm prevention might not last a month due to rapid growth of a puppy and suggest I could do it every 3 weeks. I then asked my vet who looks at me and goes "why do you give monthly heartworm prevention every 3 weeks?"...
So I'm a bit confused, how often do your guys give heartworm prevention to your puppies?
P.s I will be using Interceptor
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I would just keep up with once a month. The only reason it could "wear off" is because she is getting bigger than the medication was for her size. I would not give a puppy more than 1 heartworm pill a month. Your vet can give you 1 pill a month based on her weight until she seems to peak, then pick up a year supply and run a heartworm test.

I started Rou on heartworm when he was 4 months old, and have been religious about it ever since. He will have a heartworm test officially when he reached 1 year. I too use Interceptor, but over here it is hard to come by due to a manufacturing error with the plant.
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Once a month is where you are at, the growth won't be a problem with the dosage, pills go by weight and still offer protection until it is out of their system.

What prevention are you using?
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Put a calendar in the kitchen and write on a day at the end of the month to give the pup or dog heart worm meds. Works for me!

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one time a month I always write it on the calender best to give it around the same date each month I give my guys their s on the 11 th. I'm not a happy camper since my vet does not have inceptor, the new stuff is too expensive yes it has flea stuff,heart worm and the other worms in it but $99.99 for 6 months is too much does not make any difference what size the dog is ? 100# to 15# same price.?
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Once a month only and given around the same time. All of the Heartworm meds go by weight of the pet.
Also we do not give during the winter months. Since we live in Ohio we get them tested in late March and continue the meds until late Oct.
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Once a month only and given around the same time. All of the Heartworm meds go by weight of the pet.
Also we do not give during the winter months. Since we live in Ohio we get them tested in late March and continue the meds until late Oct.
This is what I do, no heartworm of flea preventative during the Winter. We also don't start Puppies on heartworm until 4-5 months of age.
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The active ingredient for most heartworm meds is only in the blood stream for about 3 days. It kills any microfilaria (immature form of heartworm) that may be circulating in the bloodstream.

Give it once a month--it's given for the proper weight at the time you give it--if the puppy gains enough weight during the following month to need a bigger dose you would then give that and it will be in the bloodstream for about 3 days killing any microfilaria that might exist.

It would help if vets took a little time to educate the clientel who don't necessarily know how these meds work.

It takes the microfilaria MORE than a month to reach the next stage of the heartworm life cycle and migrate to the heart where the adult form lives and damage the heart. So controlling the immature form is a safe way of getting protection.
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This is what I do, no heartworm of flea preventative during the Winter.
It's recommended to go year round now, even in our cold state. Mosquitos can go dormant in places in your house during the winter and become active and infective again in low-mid 40 degree weather. This past Saturday was 63 degrees.

Since the weather is so unpredictable - and it hasn't been uncommon to get a few warm days in January and February, even in Michigan this time of year - it's safer to use it year round.
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It's recommended to go year round now, even in our cold state. Mosquitos can go dormant in places in your house during the winter and become active and infective again in low-mid 40 degree weather. This past Saturday was 63 degrees.

Since the weather is so unpredictable - and it hasn't been uncommon to get a few warm days in January and February, even in Michigan this time of year - it's safer to use it year round.
I second this. I would also recommend year round heartworm prevention as well as year round flea/tick prevention.

If your area isn't big on ticks, look into Revolution for heartworm and fleas. I believe Novartis also makes Revolution as well as Interceptor.

Ticks are so bad in my area that Rou has his lyme vaccine as well as yearly flea/tick topical. Because of the wildlife, and that we go for walks in the woods often, I use monthly heartworm treatment because it helps prevent certain worm infestations. Interceptor is the BEST by far because it helps with whipworms. Otherwise you need a blowtorch to get rid of them. LOL.
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i do once a month (usually the 1st) ...with his flea and tick. with the exception of the really cold months like Nov. through Feb here in NY.
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i do once a month (usually the 1st) ...with his flea and tick. with the exception of the really cold months like Nov. through Feb here in NY.
NY really didn't have much of a winter last year, and the weather can be unpredictable. I guess it depends on your lifestyle, really. If you have a lot of wildlife and property or if you live in a fairly urban area. Fleas normally are active year round, especially if moving from host to host.
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Can you please elaborate on the effects of mosquitos?
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It's recommended to go year round now, even in our cold state. Mosquitos can go dormant in places in your house during the winter and become active and infective again in low-mid 40 degree weather. This past Saturday was 63 degrees.
Can you please elaborate on the effects of mosquitos?
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Mosquitoes transmit heart worms through biting and sucking blood from infected animals. The definitive host is the dog, but it can be transmitted to cats, wolves and foxes.

Heart worms grow and reside in the right ventricle of the heart and in serious infestations can be fatal. Treatment of heart worm is costly and involves TLC for the pet so that as the worms die, the heart isn't over worked causing worms to clog the ventricle potentially being fatal as well.

Since, unless you live in a very cold climate, temperature is a difficult thing to depend on, mosquitoes can lay dormant and awaken at temperatures above 40 degrees f.

Just this week we have had over 40 degree weather.

Plus, please take into consideration people saving dogs from southern kill shelters who are infected and go untreated for a period of time in northern foster situations until adopted, as well as dogs that go away on vacation with their owners, only to come back positive and leave time for mosquitoes to feed and transmit the disease/worms.

In my area, heart worm has become just a bit more common, even in cats, which are asymptomatic until the very end.

Off topic of the thread, some other mosquito based diseases include but are not limited to:
Malaria, WNV, Yellow fever, dengue fever (sp?), EEE (horses), and has been linked to elephantitus.

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This will give you more information about heartworm. American Heartworm Society | What Is Heartworm Disease? Where I live, I give heartworm protection year round.

I'll add West Nile Virus to the list of mosquito born diseases that Rouleaux gave. We had a horrible outbreak in Texas last year.
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Some interesting info. and conditions have to be right. But I don't agree with some of the other things. Also it was interesting about the foxes, coyotes, and wolves!

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The cause of heartwormsis mosquitoes.
Mosquitoes carry these parasites that enter the bloodstream as larvae and migrate to the heart. Six months after reaching the heart, the larvae turn into adults, and that's when problems begin. Full-grown heartworms may eventually fill the heart, blocking flow of blood to the lungs and doing damage to the heart. Often, by the time you see symptoms, they've already done some damage to the heart.

What the average pet owner is not aware of, is just how perfect the conditions have to be for a dog to get heartworms in the first place:

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has 5 separate larval stages referred to simply as L1, L2, L3, and so on. It also has two separate cycles which have to be combined to makeup the lifecycle of the heartworm. Only one cycle takes place in a mosquito and the other inside a dog.

The mosquito becomes infested when it bites a dog which is already harboring L1 (MICROFILARIAE). *This can only happen if the dog is also harboring the L5, which is the adult, male and female heartwormas the Microfilariae are their offspring. These Microfilariae can live for up two years in the dogs blood but must be taken up by a mosquito in order to develop any further. If they are not taken up by a mosquito to further develop, they will simply die of old age.

Once the mosquito is infested, the larva must then go through two stages of development or molts L2, and L3, before they can infect another dog. This, mosquito, stage takes anywhere from two weeks to several months depending on the weather. The warmer the weather the faster the development.

The importance of temperature:
While the larva are developing within the mosquito, the temperature MUST remain above 57 degrees Fahrenheit at all times, day and night. If at any time during the mosquito stage the temperature drops below 57 degrees F, the development is halted and it must start all over again. It is only the L3 larva which are capable of infesting your dog.

So, now let's say that a mosquito has bitten an infested dog and the temperature has remained above 57 F for a minimum of 14 days since that bite and the mosquito bites your dog. Still your dog is not infestedbecause the L3 larva are deposited in a tiny droplet of mosquito saliva adjacent to the bite notactually injected into your dog as many would have us believe.

Providing the humidity and temperature are such that the droplet does not evaporate, the L3 larva must then swim through the droplet of saliva and into the mosquito bite, thereby entering your dogs system. Once inside your dog the L3 larva must spend the next two weeks or so developing into the L4 larva. During this period of time the larva is living in the skin, not the blood of the newly infested dog. The L4 will continue to live and develop in the skin for the next three or four months where it will finally develop into the L5 stage.

Once it makes this development into the L5 it then leaves the skin and enters the circulatory system. The L5 or young adult then migrates to the heart and pulmonary arteries. Once there it will mate approximately 5 to 7 months after entering the dog's body. That is of course assuming that the dog has been infested with both male and female larva. This mating produces the Microfilariae.

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is by far the most important part of medicine. As you all know by now, I am convinced that having a very strong immune system is of the utmost importance to your dog. I believe that a strong healthy dog will throw off parasites and illness all on its own.

With that said, dogs that are not at their peak of health should be first started with a good diet, I recommend a raw, species appropriate diet first and foremost. At the very least a home cooked diet, supplementation and general remedies for a period of time to strengthen their immune system. Then, the wonderful, natural treatment effects will kick in!

If your dog has been diagnosed with heartworm, it is imperative that you improve his or her immune system as stated above and don't cheat your dog out of perfect health.

Dr Jeffery Levy, feels as I do about the importance of treating the dog, not the heartworm.(emphasis is mine)
"The objective of treating a dog with heartworm should NOT be to get rid of the heartworm. You're not treating the heartworm, you're treating the dog... It makes a lot more sense to measure the treatment by looking at the dog's quality of life. So, he is positive for heartworm. The fact is, heartworms have been around forever and dogs and heartworms have been coexisting for all eternity. It's actually a relatively recent phenomenon that dogs are dying from heartworm. Heartworm is not, by any means, the death penalty it's made out to be. The dogs that die from heartwom are the dogs that are being vaccinated, fed processed pet food and are being treated with suppressive drugs for every little thing that comes along"."

Did you catch that? This is so vitally important to note. Please re-read that last sentence above again.

I (as well as other veterinary naturopaths and many holistic vets) maintain that, "Allopathic medicine is based on fear - fear of disease, fear of pathogens, fear of death. It's fear-based medicine. Allopathic/fear based medicine has been the approach that's been used to get people to use heartworm preventives. It is not to say that heartworms don't exist, obviously, they do. The very same fear-based approach is used as the main basis of vaccinations and for a lot of things.

Disease, illness and symptoms come from within. A relatively healthy animal will not be susceptible to those things. So the ultimate answer is not to prevent heartworm (or distemper or parvo or whatever), by some artificial means, but rather to work on improving and maintaining good health. To the degree that you can improve your dog's level of health, disease of any kind becomes less threatening."

(See my articles on the immune system)Here

NOW, realize this, a dog must be essentially healthy in order to resist succumbing to heartworm (or its treatments). This statement is more than just an idle observation, it is the principle that ensures the survival of wild canines, who (think about this now...) suffer far greater exposure to heartworm-carrying mosquitoes then our domestic pets; however, they succumb in far lesser numbers than our domestic dogs!

Dr. William Falconer, a veterinarian with a homeopathic practice in Austin, Texas states: "The heartworm has been out there forever as far as we know, but we don't read reports of wolves and coyotes being wiped out by heartworm, and yet domestic dogs are falling prey to it."

Interesting point, don't you think?
So why are our pets/domesticated dogs falling prey to heartworms? Surely they are healthier then the wild canines, with all our feeding of "scientifically balanced", processed foods and vaccinating them to prevent them from getting all the nasty and sometimes fatal diseases right? ... WRONG!

We are vaccinating our dogs way too much and way too often, we are feeding them poor nutrition to say the least, and we are using chemical pesticides to kill their fleas, ticks and any internal parasites they may have. All of these things combine to weaken their immune systems, and their immunity is the only thing that can save them.

On the other hand, foxes, coyotes, and wolves go un-vaccinated, eat only raw meat, bones, and a very few herbs and/or berries when there is no meat available. These wild canines are never exposed to the dozens of toxic chemicals we use to kill fleas, ticks and even heartworm on our dogs and in our homes. Interesting that some coyotes and foxes have been found through research, to be able to "fight off" heartworm infestations and some others become host to the parasite however, in small enough numbers that the heartworms don't threaten their hosts' lives.

Dr Jeffery Levy again thinks as I do and states: "Thanks in large part to the scare tactics of many veterinarians in promoting (so called) preventive drugs, many people believe that contracting heartworms is the equivalent of a death sentence for their dogs. This is not true."

Dr Levy concluded as I and many other have from this; that it is not the heartworms that caused disease, but the other factors that damaged the dogs' health/immune system to the point that they could no longer compensate for an otherwise tolerable parasite load. "It is not really that different from the common intestinal roundworms, in that most dogs do not show any symptoms. Only a dog whose health is compromised is unable to tolerate a few worms. Furthermore, a truly healthy dog would not be susceptible to either type of worm in the first place. It seems to me that the real problem is that allopathic attitudes have instilled in many of us a fear of disease, fear of pathogens and parasites, fear of rabies, as if these are evil and malicious entities just waiting to lay waste to a naive and unprotected public."

Whichever end of the scale holistic veterinarians and veterinary naturopaths, place themselves on, we all agree about the first step toward heartworm prevention and treatment: A dog must be essentially healthy in order to resist succumbing to heartworm (or its treatments). This is more than an idle observation, it is the principle that ensures the survival of wild canines, who suffer far greater exposure to heartworm-carrying mosquitoes but succumb from the parasites in far lesser numbers than domestic dogs.

Parasites were never intended to kill their hosts. It and when they do, then you can be assured that something is very out of balance. A parasite's whole evolutionary thrust is to continue to live/survive its life cycle; if it kills its host, then there is a dead end. The fact that our dogs are dying of this disease in greater and greater numbers indicates loudly that something is way out of whack!

Given the wild canine's innate efficiency in dealing with heartworm, virtually all veterinary naturopaths and holistic practitioners, recommend utilizing as many aspects of the wild canine's lifestyle as is practical for domestic dogs, including, most importantly, a natural diet of raw meat and bones, minimal vaccination, and severely curtailed exposure to flea/tick -killing pesticides. Just STOP using them! There are many alternative, healthy ways of preventing and even killing pests but again, a healthy immune system is the key.

Animals with healthy, balanced immune systems are not in need of any specific preventives because their very lifestyle is their preventative!

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NY really didn't have much of a winter last year, and the weather can be unpredictable. I guess it depends on your lifestyle, really. If you have a lot of wildlife and property or if you live in a fairly urban area. Fleas normally are active year round, especially if moving from host to host.
we arent in a particularly rural area luckily...would venture to say more suburb-ish. The yard right now is dug up due to the previous owner digging up the cesspool to run a new line. my grass leaves much to be desired.. Its been pretty cold this year, just not a lot of snow so far (kind of glad...hate snow) I just keep an eye on him when he comes in from outside and we groom him every night before bed.
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we arent in a particularly rural area luckily...would venture to say more suburb-ish. The yard right now is dug up due to the previous owner digging up the cesspool to run a new line. my grass leaves much to be desired.. Its been pretty cold this year, just not a lot of snow so far (kind of glad...hate snow) I just keep an eye on him when he comes in from outside and we groom him every night before bed.
We haven't gotten nearly as much snow as we could have upstate, but it has snowed quite a bit in small increments. So, in short... LUCKY!!
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^^^ yea you guys up there are getting hit like we did about 2 years ago. I remember there was a string of weekends we got hit with storm after storm and it sucked.Heres to hoping we make it through with minimal white stuff this year. of course that will just make tick /mosquito and flea season terrible. We will see how things pan out. if it looks like we are going to start getting warm weather early, ill start logans preventative earlier then i normally would.
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by the way,....i worked up in Hyde park every few months for my environmental consulting firm. I have a gas station up there i had to test for petro contamination. Does the "Hoe Bowl" ring a bell? Off of Rt 9D i think? I also used to test the surrounding homes over there...but the state closed the spill and i dont have to go up there anymore :-(
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Yeah the old Hoe Bowl on 9G... Is it that old abandoned creepy one or the new one that I think is a Shell (?) now??

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Regarding Stryker2's interesting post on heartworm and what it can and doesn't do I need to say first of all that it's not all that hard for heartworm to end up in a dog. Yes there are lots of factors that enter into the process and there is an intermediate vector, the mosquito but there are lots of mosquitos and lots of heartworm positive canides to provide a viable pool of tranmittable microfiliaria.

I've seen what heartworm does when uncontrolled--it isn't going to kill off all dogs but if it's your dog you'll be pretty unhappy. One of our vets went to Texas a few years ago for a seminar--it was a practical course on ultra sound cardiology. During the course they were using a group of dogs donated by a local animal control facility. Some infected with heartworm and some not. The dogs were supposed to be treated after the seminar and returned to the animal control for adoption but our vet came home with a 9 month old heartworm positive puppy--she was also pregnant. She had a very advanced case of heartworm and significant blockage because of worms in the heart even then. Our vet intended to spay her and then treat for heartworm. Turned out she was far too pregnant to consider spaying before treatment. She welped the puppies, nursed them and was a very good mother--she got spayed and treated for the heartworm infection but the damage to her heart was so great that she died only a few months later. She was probably only 14 months old when she died.

For the last month we carried her outside to potty because cardiac damage was so great she passed out if walked more than a few yards.

It's well to remember when you read things like this, even though diseases like heartworm don't immedieately kill their hosts (and no "good" pathogen does) but they certainly shorten the life span greatly and leave the infested animal with a miserable quality of life. Sure--the breed goes on but I doubt any of us really want to be rushing to breed a bitch on her first season and most wild canids breed as soon as they have seasons and don't have very long life spans.

Even when I had my first dogs in the 50's several diseases (heartworm, whipworm, hookworm and several tick bourne diseases) were unheard of in the Pacific Northwest and California. The Interstate highway system made moving dogs around the country much easier and east coast, southeast states and the gulf coast states who had a lot of these diseases shared them with us as people and their dogs moved around the country on vacations and such.

I'll stick to using heartworm protection and keeping my pets free of various intestinal worms rather than treat after the fact.
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