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Old 01-03-2013, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This Dog is Going to be the Death of Me

Or at the very least, he'll give me gray hairs decades before my time.

So in a little under three weeks, he's managed to have about 5 days' worth of the runs initially from stress/rawhides, leading to a vet appointment and a medication/fortiflora regimin to make him stop spraying my walls with bloody poop.

Then, when out on a long walk, we passed a pizza/sammich joint. He grabbed some nasty tomato/onion/burger/aluminum foil mess out of their trash can (driveby grab, didn't even root around in there to find it) and started swallowing. I managed to pry most of it out of his mouth but we still had Lava Belly part two coupled with the extra Oh Lord Not More Pills.

He learned his lesson. A couple days ago he grabbed a small bone that looked like a chicken bone off the ground and swallowed it whole before I registered what was going on (I was putting a poop bag in a trash can). The vet and I are still awaiting Lava Belly the third to begin. She's got her fingers crossed that since it was a small bone and he swallowed instead of crunched, it'll pass without a problem. He's greatly disappointed with the return of I Don't Like Being Pilled though.

If I wrap pills in something tasty he'll pick them out and spit them out, if I hide it in his food he won't eat, so he gets to take them the hard way and I put them in the back of his mouth and rub his throat to get him to swallow. Not thrilled with that idea but he's gotta take it somehow.




Guess who will be getting some Leave It reinforcement? Sigh. Good solid poops this morning, thank goodness, so it doesn't look like he's stopped up. Still eating, drinking, and playing well with bright eyes. Is it possible he was able to digest the bone instead of passing it as a solid chunk?
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I always put the pill in a spoon of peanut butter. It's too sticky for them to easily eject it.
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They do task us don't they! Hope everything "comes" out OK! I am not a big fan of raw hide bones. Prefer bully sticks and raw marrow or knuckle bones instead. Think you will have to be extra vigilent with this guy.
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Welcome to the joys of doberman ownership. When passing something disgusting or yummy their lizard like tongue shoots out and WHAM, it's swallowed.
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Is it possible he was able to digest the bone instead of passing it as a solid chunk?
Yep. I feed raw and Wheeler is not the most thorough chewer. He has swallowed a whole chicken leg numerous times, as had Lola, without issue. They do digest or at least partially digest bone. Shouldn't be anything to worry about.
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Do you know if the bone was raw or cooked? I'd be much more worried about a cooked bone.
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I will try that if he needs to be pilled tonight (pills are currently "as needed", haven't needed since the night he swallowed the bone), Hilary! I hadn't thought of that. Most of the dogs will take a pill like a treat and the ones that are stubborn will swallow them if they're wrapped in hot dog. He's the first to pick around the pill and only eat the weiner.

I don't like rawhides either and I'm not the one that fed them to him, at least. None of the family dogs took well to rawhide so I just avoid it. He does significantly better with the knuckles and marrow bones I give him (and those are obviously big enough that he can't swallow them whole).

Good to hear on the bone front. I'll keep my fingers crossed that he successfully digested it then. I know why you guys call these dogs "goats" now though.

Edit: Meadowcat, I'm not sure. Most common chicken scraps around here is fried, so I assumed cooked and called the vet asap to see what she thought. It's possible it was raw as the dumpster is shared in my complex so it could easily have been someone's cooking scraps.
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My Zeus was horrible with pills. He would even separate them out of peanut butter and spit them back out. What worked for me was the lunch meat with the chaser slice. The chaser slice was the key since he wanted it and swallowed the first slice with the pills without rooting through it. But I had to have the chaser slice ready and in his face just as soon as he had the first one in his mouth.
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i remember many years ago giving a couple of slices of bread soaked in oil to a dog that had swallowed a cooked steak bone.

maybe google it and see if it is still advised or not.

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If I wrap pills in something tasty he'll pick them out and spit them out, if I hide it in his food he won't eat, so he gets to take them the hard way and I put them in the back of his mouth and rub his throat to get him to swallow. Not thrilled with that idea but he's gotta take it somehow....
been there and tried it all, i only tried hiding pills in his food bowl once. had to get his girlfriend to come over and feed him for about a week. back of the throat is the only way.

my first dobe was not a goat, my two current dobes are goats...
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I tried everything with Roxy for her to take her Proin. She would eat whatever the pill was wrapped in and then spit the pill out right in front of me. Finally Pill Pockets. I swear by them. She loves them and can't wait to have her Pill Pocket befor dinner every night.
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This works really, really well:

"Pilling" the dogs (video)
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After having tried virtually every pilling method possible, plain liverwurst works for me.

Dobegal, is the Proin the chewable? My girl won't eat them either, but a pill crusher works great, then into the food.
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My Zeus was horrible with pills. He would even separate them out of peanut butter and spit them back out. What worked for me was the lunch meat with the chaser slice. The chaser slice was the key since he wanted it and swallowed the first slice with the pills without rooting through it. But I had to have the chaser slice ready and in his face just as soon as he had the first one in his mouth.
This is what I use too. She swallows the first piece (with the pill in it) before she thinks about it so she can grab that second piece... Sometimes it helps to have an "eat first, think later" attitude about snacks!

(Especially since she didn't like pill pockets at all.)


If it makes you feel any better, Delta has mastered the "look like I'm sniffing the leaves for a spot to pee, then snatch and swallow the cat poop before Mom sees it" maneuver. Gross, dog, gross.
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Dobermans are arguably the easiest dog in the world to pill. They have these great big mouths and since all of my dog learn to stand to have their mouth opened and examined for teeth coming in, for the show ring and to be brushed by the time they are three months old I just open their mouth and drop the pill (or occasionaly a handful of them) over the back of their tongue and down their throat.

And I'll tell you guys that are giving sandwich meat and hot dogs and stuff like that to hide pills in--if you are trying to give pills to a dog who has some sort of stomach upset you're shooting yourself in the foot with those hide-the-pill treats.

Stay away from spicey stuff like that--cream cheese, a small ball of butter, a spoonful of yogurt (and yes, all my dogs will take something from a spoon or fork and because they always suspect either one of the cats or one of the other dogs is coming to take it away from them will swallow it instantly.) is a better choice--peanut butter isn't all that great a choice either for a dog with an iffy gut.
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My Zeus was horrible with pills. He would even separate them out of peanut butter and spit them back out. What worked for me was the lunch meat with the chaser slice. The chaser slice was the key since he wanted it and swallowed the first slice with the pills without rooting through it. But I had to have the chaser slice ready and in his face just as soon as he had the first one in his mouth.
This is EXCELLENT advice, and is exactly we did to out think the 'Dobe-Einsteins' living in this house.

Juno didn't fall for this game initially (she's clearly smarter than the other two). So what I did with her, was give her a 'no pill' lump of PB, then another no pill lump of PB, then a pill one, then a no pill one. I'd get her excited in between each one, and by that third one she was swallowing without thinking. Perhaps having the other two hovering close by was incentive to swallow first, think later!
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I must be doing something wrong, Rams will take meds with no treats required. He is, however, a little mental. Projectile diareah is the worst!
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:44 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Good news and bad news I suppose. The good news is that we still have good solid poops which means the bad news is that I can't try any of your wonderful suggestions yet Skoll is thankfully very easy to "forcibly" pill (ie, open his motuh, place at back of throat) and gets what he thinks is a tasty goodie for not taking my fingers off during but it's actually just bland, muahahaha Still, it's a process and I'd really prefer him to just eat the darn treat with the pill embedded in it.

By now, with luck, he's either broken down that bone or he's passed it and it was wrapped in turd so I didn't find it. From the glance I got of it before it went down the hatch, it was very small, perhaps 1 or 2 inches long, so either is possible at this point. On to better, safer, things to ingest like the knuckle bone he has yet to finish.

You know, I never noticed how much food trash is laying around the city until I got a dog that inhales everything even mildly edible within reach. Today we discovered that the Vietnamese market near the park occasionally has customers (or employees?) that "miss" the trash can when throwing out sections of raw meat. Luckily I'm now aware of his grabby tendencies and he had to walk away disappointed to not get to "sample" any.
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i remember many years ago giving a couple of slices of bread soaked in oil to a dog that had swallowed a cooked steak bone.

maybe google it and see if it is still advised or not.

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We did this a couple years ago when Nina counter surfed an entire cooked chicken breast.
I was in an exhausted delerium on the couch telling my husband to come on here and do a search on chicken bones.
Worked for us & never did see bones.
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Need to teach "Drop IT " & Leave IT" I have a Dachshund well known to be Hoover vacuum cleaners suck up anything on the floor,ground any where. Patches is the little red long hair dachshund in the picture she knows drop it & leave it has worked with a very dead smashed frog and a chicken bone when we were out on the scooter. Buddy the Doberman in the picture also know these commands they both get pills the same way open mouth insert hand with pill shove pill down throat,close mouth. Good Luck
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Oh my, *sigh* these Dobermans are such a handful.

Yes, they drive us crazy, give me gray hair.
Then they go and do something cute. Smart buggers.

Zachary is also a food thief.
Stole prime rib right off the table on the 25th.
grabbed and enhaled my OH lunch from the counter on the 26th.
Ate so much of "something" a few days before Xmas that we had to rush him to the vet.
He ended up fine.

Peanut butter works for us with both dogs.

My friend used to hide pills in marshmellows for her Dobe.

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My brother has 2 babies, a Visila & a Weimaraner pup.
The pup(just under a year old) had the runs leading up to Xmas. Starting pooping blood on the 24th. Their vet was closed. She stayed at the emergency vet from noon 24th to 4:00 pm on the 25th.
No conclusive diagnosis. She ended up being fine.
I didn't get to see my brother for Christmas as he wouldn't leave his girl.
You can imagine the vet bill.
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In October, Dexter my goat-like Doberman, had 3 feet of intestine removed thanks to a rupture caused by eating a fuzzy sock and a cooked T-bone that he managed to scarf before I could get my hands down his throat.

He got a major gut infection, and very nearly died before and after the surgery. Vets are still amazed he pulled through.

Now we've noticed that he almost always has runny poop, despite our careful feeding and addition of pumpkin to his food to try and firm things up. My sis says its likely caused by the less time the material has to firm up in its 'travels' thru his gut.

If anyone has advice on this, let me know.

My vet said absolutely NO bones, raw, huge, knuckle, whatever. So my other 2 dogs are now also bone-free. Pity. The big raw beef bones used to give me some peace as it kept them busy for awhile.

But since Dexter is such a goat, no more!

Pills down the throat: I also throw them way back and stroke the neck, but one of my trainers said to pop pill in and then blow into their nostrils for a second and they're forced to swallow. It did work for me! Crazy coincidence maybe!
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Be VERY careful. If he has onions/tomatoes and begins throwing up (ESPECIALLY ONIONS) he will need to see a vet as quickly as possible (I know you know that, but I'm emphasizing). Onions are incredibly deadly, and Tomatoes (if the stem/leaves are mixed in, which they commonly can be), and can cause them to just die (if I recall, tomatoes are related to nightshade).

And, don't worry. Every time I come home and it smells like the poops, I know I'm going to have a great evening. It does get better! But sometimes you just want to yank your hair out

edit: wanted to add that I'm not sure if I'm lucky or unlucky that J will eat anything other than her poop - she doesn't even need encouraging to take her meds (she takes an evening allergy med some nights) and will just eat them up. But, I typically wrap it in either canned food or bread or hot dog (whatever I have on hand that it'll go into and won't give her a tummy ache), cos I figure pills can't taste that great + I want it to go down well + a little treat for being so good about it
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That was exactly why we contacted the vet asap when I saw what he tried to swallow. Luckily either he didn't get enough of it or we acted fast enough because he had nothing more than runny poo for a few days afterward. Dodged the bullet on that one, thank goodness.

Haha, outside of twice during his first week (during the 5 Days of Poo) he hasn't soiled his crate. I can usually tell by now if he's feeling off by how noxious his farts are. They're never sunshine and roses but if he lets a really bad one out I just know we'll be in and out all night. Luckily right now we're just borderline not solid, which is usual for the recent kibble switch (Science Diet -> EVO).
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