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Old 01-02-2013, 10:35 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Is the snap test something the vet does in house with immediate results like the fecal or is it sent out?
In-house, not super expensive, under forty, and results in ten minutes or so. And it's very reliable.
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Thank you RFR. One more question if I may, so if I ask my vet for a snap test they know what it is or is there a specific medical name for it?
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Thank you RFR. One more question if I may, so if I ask my vet for a snap test they know what it is or is there a specific medical name for it?
I've always just asked for the giardia snap test. If there's another name, they've not educated me on that.

Are you inquiring for yourself...or your dog?

(It is actually zoonotic, btw, and can be a real issue for pregnant humans.)
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Tamora had no formed poop in her early puppy years. She did not do well on kibble. ( I personally think its the perservatives)
Switched her to raw (pre-made) (and home cooked) Have not had any issues since.
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Sorry, didn't know you were familiar with those two parasites. It's been my understanding, though, that unless you catch it right when the cysts are being shed, it's really hard to detect.

That's why so many vets want fecals three days in a row. (Most clients don't comply, though.)
This is correct. It is easier to detect in young pups (at least in my experience) then older dogs - not direct correlation, just what I noticed.

NOW you can send stool out to an outside lab and have results the next day depending on what lab is used.

Also, since Albon isn't cutting it anymore, a lot of vets are switching their protazoal protocol to Marquis, which is used in horses. Seems to be doing the job! Same Flagyl for Giardia though.
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I've always just asked for the giardia snap test. If there's another name, they've not educated me on that.

Are you inquiring for yourself...or your dog?

(It is actually zoonotic, btw, and can be a real issue for pregnant humans.)
For Khaos. He's been having some issue with loose poop the last couple of weeks starting after his rabies vaccine. I took him in last Friday and they did a fecal and found no parasites. He was put on Metronidazole 250mg twice a day with a followup appt for tomorrow. His poop hasn't gotten better. It swings between just slightly soft to really soft depending on which poop of the day it is. Other than the loose poop he is showing no other signs, is lively, eats and drinks, etc.
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Sorry, didn't know you were familiar with those two parasites. It's been my understanding, though, that unless you catch it right when the cysts are being shed, it's really hard to detect.

That's why so many vets want fecals three days in a row. (Most clients don't comply, though.)
Yeah, I was going to say giardia is hard to detect because it doesn't always show in the sample.

I have a ram - yes a male sheep! - who can't eat grains. He can have pelleted alfalfa and any manner of hay, but the grains - no. Loose quirty poop everywhere and we have tested for giardia again and again and every parasite going. The moral of the story is - is even a sheep can't handle grains, imagine how well your average dog adapts to grains.
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If he's consistantly had loose stools, it's probably the food. Some foods just don't with some dogs. One of the more commonly recommended foods on here is Innova. All three of mine had horrible loose stools on it. Yuck.
All of my Dobes have also suffered loose stools on Innova, despite it being a high quality kibble. On the other hand, its sister brand, California Natural has generally worked well for my Dobes.
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This is correct. It is easier to detect in young pups (at least in my experience) then older dogs - not direct correlation, just what I noticed.

NOW you can send stool out to an outside lab and have results the next day depending on what lab is used.

Also, since Albon isn't cutting it anymore, a lot of vets are switching their protazoal protocol to Marquis, which is used in horses. Seems to be doing the job! Same Flagyl for Giardia though.
Oof, after a couple rounds of Panacur, then Flagyl, we only wiped out Ezra's deal by treating concurrently with both.

We're seeing vets around here do that more and more.

Nobody likes those dirty words "resistant strain" but it sure seems that way.

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For Khaos. He's been having some issue with loose poop the last couple of weeks starting after his rabies vaccine. I took him in last Friday and they did a fecal and found no parasites. He was put on Metronidazole 250mg twice a day with a followup appt for tomorrow. His poop hasn't gotten better. It swings between just slightly soft to really soft depending on which poop of the day it is. Other than the loose poop he is showing no other signs, is lively, eats and drinks, etc.
I knew it was for Khaos

Has he ever had a vaccine reaction? Of any sort? Is rabies all he got that day?

What sort of exercise area is around that clinic? Could he have been accidentally exposed to something, on site?

Just brainstorming, but yeah, Ez had clear fecals to the point I felt he deserved winning some kind of trophy, but he popped positive on that snap test.

Let us know what you find out.
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I knew it was for Khaos

Has he ever had a vaccine reaction? Of any sort? Is rabies all he got that day?

What sort of exercise area is around that clinic? Could he have been accidentally exposed to something, on site?

Just brainstorming, but yeah, Ez had clear fecals to the point I felt he deserved winning some kind of trophy, but he popped positive on that snap test.

Let us know what you find out.
I didn't notice any vaccine reaction before. I have to ask them what all he got that day, but it definitely included the rabies vaccine. I noticed the really loose poop after it and called my vet. He said that can happen after the rabies shot but shouldn't last more than a couple of days. I thought he was getting better but then I started noticing the loose poop again. It seems that the consistency of the poop is different every time he poops. Today it was thick paste in the morning and getting progressively wetter with each subsequent sample. I called my vet about the snap test and talked to the girls up front. They said that they can sent the sample out but they don't do it in house. I'll talk to my vet about it tomorrow. As for the stool sample, how fresh does it have to be? I was reading about the Giardia and how its best to have samples from 3 days, so does that mean you test 3 day old poop or does it need to be tested every day?

The only other thing that happened around the time I started noticing the problem was that he had recently finished a course of Cephalexin because he had a little toenail infection. I don't think it had anything to do with it, but I will ask about that too.
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I didn't notice any vaccine reaction before. I have to ask them what all he got that day, but it definitely included the rabies vaccine. I noticed the really loose poop after it and called my vet. He said that can happen after the rabies shot but shouldn't last more than a couple of days. I thought he was getting better but then I started noticing the loose poop again. It seems that the consistency of the poop is different every time he poops. Today it was thick paste in the morning and getting progressively wetter with each subsequent sample. I called my vet about the snap test and talked to the girls up front. They said that they can sent the sample out but they don't do it in house. I'll talk to my vet about it tomorrow. As for the stool sample, how fresh does it have to be? I was reading about the Giardia and how its best to have samples from 3 days, so does that mean you test 3 day old poop or does it need to be tested every day?

The only other thing that happened around the time I started noticing the problem was that he had recently finished a course of Cephalexin because he had a little toenail infection. I don't think it had anything to do with it, but I will ask about that too.
Aha, Cephalexin=hell on ye olde digestive system.

When he was on that, did you give a good probiotic, always an hour prior to his dose, or at least two hours afterwards?

I betcha he needs his gut flora repopulated. See if you can get some teenage lactobacillus couples and acidophilous slutty folks to go hook up and get busy, for him.

I'm surprised your vet doesn't do that test inhouse. I live in West By God, and we have it here.

It's three days of morning poo, in a row. Pain in the butt, no pun intended.
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Aha, Cephalexin=hell on ye olde digestive system.

When he was on that, did you give a good probiotic, always an hour prior to his dose, or at least two hours afterwards?
I did not. Bad me. Didn't even think about it since it never bothered Thor or Cleo. What can I give him now for that or is it too late?
I betcha he needs his gut flora repopulated. See if you can get some teenage lactobacillus couples and acidophilous slutty folks to go hook up and get busy, for him.
Does this come in pill form?
I'm surprised your vet doesn't do that test inhouse. I live in West By God, and we have it here.
I will talk to the vet tomorrow. I only talked to the front people today so maybe the didn't know
It's three days of morning poo, in a row. Pain in the butt, no pun intended.
Well I've been collecting today. I have his first second and third poop in seprate baggies and will aim for tomorrow mornings as well, then they can do with it whatever they do with it.
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Unless they told you otherwise, you just need one piece o' his poo, per day.

And yes, you can give him probiotics now. Your vet should be able to offer you something like Benebac or whatever brand they carry.

They may also suggest some products from human health food stores. If he does fine with dairy products, you can give him a dollop or two of plain Greek yogurt on his food, too.

If he has an overgrowth of yeast or something like C. Dif, then he may need more meds, too, but most clear up with just putting back the good bacteria peoples in the gut.

My George can't tolerate Cephalexin either--my other dogs are fine with it.

Some are just...more special than others.
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Unless they told you otherwise, you just need one piece o' his poo, per day.

And yes, you can give him probiotics now. Your vet should be able to offer you something like Benebac or whatever brand they carry.

They may also suggest some products from human health food stores. If he does fine with dairy products, you can give him a dollop or two of plain Greek yogurt on his food, too.

If he has an overgrowth of yeast or something like C. Dif, then he may need more meds, too, but most clear up with just putting back the good bacteria peoples in the gut.

My George can't tolerate Cephalexin either--my other dogs are fine with it.

Some are just...more special than others.
Thank you RFR you are the best.
I have enough poop to bring in that it should last for his lifetime .
I will see what my vet suggests, but in the mean time is this link Amazon.com: Bene-BacŪ Pet Gel, 15g syringe: Pet Supplies the Benebac you were talking about?
I figured I order it just in case. I can get it by tomorrow if I order it now.
I suppose in the future I will have to let healthy foods like Greek Yogurt past my houses threshold (shudder) but for my puppies I will even go to this drastic step.

On a side note, all three of my children are extra lively this morning and in the time it took me to type this post I had 2 wubbas narrowly miss my head while flying by. Cleo is power throwing again.

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Well I just came back from my vet. This time the vet who I always see was there (he was on vacation last week). He believes it is probably a combination of the Cephalexin and the rabies shot and believes that the dose of Metronidizole wasn't high enough to take care of it. He gave him an injection of prednisone and Metroclopramide. I also got pills for him. 10mg of Metoclorpramide (Reglan) twice a day and 500mg of Metronidizole twice a day. I also picked up Forti-Flora FE30ct Box. I'm supposed to sprinkle that over his food once a day. He said to call him Wednesday to let him know if it helped. I asked about the Giardia and he didn't think that it is the cause but said even if it is, it would be treated with the same Rx.
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^^^Sounds like a good vet and a good plan.
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I have used cephalexin and my vet told me that unfortunately it also impacts the flora levels in the digestive tract.
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It could be the water too. My dog when we moved started to have the runs. Well it was more like a river. Started to filter the water b/c she was doing fine before we moved and she didnt seem to be stress out (maybe it was just me not seeing it). After I change the water everything seems to be clearing up.
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Ivan did not do well on Innova either. I tried two different types.

My friend feeds his Lab Blue. She had the most noxious gas. As did Ivan if he ever ate any.
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We've had him since he was 5 weeks and we feed him blue buffalo large breed puppy food. It's not that he has diarrhea, he has had that a few times and its definitely different then his regular which is just very soft and wet
FWIW my GFs Boxer tried blue buffalo for a short stint too. It definitely gave her the runs and bad gas.
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