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Thoughts and experiences with Tardak?

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Just wondering if anyone has experience with the use of Tardak for intact dogs? Could you let me know your experiences, pros, cons, effects of long term use ect?

Rupert generally turns into a whining, teeth-chattering, drooling mess around bitches in season at shows and in the park, which hasn't been a huge problem in the past but as my plans include adding a female show prospect soon, I'd like to look at what options are available. I obviously know that the Tardak won't prevent the urges and breeding, and they will of course be completely separated by means of multiple doors and crates, however just a female in season down the road drives him nuts, so I foresee issues with him being in the same household. He won't eat for days after running into a bitch at a show!

I have been recommended Tardak by other show people who use it, but I'm struggling to find a whole lot of info on it. Those I have spoken too have only had positive experiences, but from reading online some people say they have experienced depression issues or no benefit at all.

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Also if anyone has used any alternatives, such as the Superlorin implant, I'd be happy to hear your experiences regarding this What put me off the superlorin was that it lasts a lot longer and I've read the testicles shrivel in size dramatically, which I wasn't sure if that would cause a problem in the show ring...



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Have you checked to make sure it is legal in the show ring? I have no experience with it, but you may want to check the rules if you haven't already.


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Have you checked to make sure it is legal in the show ring? I have no experience with it, but you may want to check the rules if you haven't already.
Thank you I know a few show people use it, it doesn't alter the coat or appearance of the dog at all which I think is all the KC stipulate against, but wouldnt hurt to drop them an email checking.



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I guess this must not be popular in the states...



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Never heard of it, but I know a lot of people use chlorophyll tabs for bitches in season to mask the odour with at least some success. That may be another option.

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I think that it would violate the AKC regulation about conformation dogs needing to be intact. A dog made chemically infertile would be in violation.

I talked to a rep years ago about a bitch (not Dobe, different breed) who was speculated to be sterile. He said that although it was suspected that she was infertile that unless they had actually proof she could not be barred from competing.

One of the well known Dobe breeders in the US, Tess Hensler (Ahrtal Kennels) retired a very nice dog who was, at the time, at the height of his show career when she suspected that he was sterile and had him checked for sperm count by her vet--he had no viable sperm and she promptly retired him.

The whole point of conformation competition is to find the best specimens to use for breeding. Chemically castrating or rendering infertile a male seems to me to be in direct violation of this whole idea.

Or maybe because I'm not familiar with Tardak perhaps this is something that is temporary only? I thought it acted as a chemical type of castration--if it does I've read that it is fairly painful for the dog.

Don't know, don't have answers since you are KC and I'm AKC--good luck on getting an answer.
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Thanks for your posts

Tardak is definitely temporary- it mimics the behavoural effects of chemical castration, if a dog bred with a female while on Tardak, the dog would still be fertile, it tends to just take away some of the desire to mate. Effects usually last around 3 weeks and the dog is back to normal. According to the vets and the company, it has no affect on sperm count and desire to mate while not on it, but I still don't think I'd want to use it on a stud dog; Rupert will not be bred I only show him for fun and practise.

I believe our standard just calls for 'two apparently normal testicles' rather than a dog which is actually fertile anyway, but definitely something I will look into.

I'm not an expert on either of these things, so I will need to do more checking, but I believe the superlorin is like. Temporary chemical castration, I haven't hear such good things about it though other show people use it to. I have never heard of it bei painful, but that's certainly something I need to find out about.

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Tardak is definitely temporary- it mimics the behavoural effects of chemical castration, if a dog bred with a female while on Tardak, the dog would still be fertile, it tends to just take away some of the desire to mate. Effects usually last around 3 weeks and the dog is back to normal. According to the vets and the company, it has no affect on sperm count and desire to mate while not on it, but I still don't think I'd want to use it on a stud dog; Rupert will not be bred I only show him for fun and practise.

I believe our standard just calls for 'two apparently normal testicles' rather than a dog which is actually fertile anyway, but definitely something I will look into.

I'm not an expert on either of these things, so I will need to do more checking, but I believe the superlorin is like. Temporary chemical castration, I haven't hear such good things about it though other show people use it to. I have never heard of it bei painful, but that's certainly something I need to find out about.

Thanks again the research goes on!
I don't think I've ever heard of them doing a collection and sperm count at ringside. Be quite the experience if they did, I'm sure.


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I'm sorry.. but every single time I pass this thread I read "Tradis" instead of Tardak... And I get an urge to watch Dr. Who.

Anywho, hope you get your answers lol.



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I'm sorry.. but every single time I pass this thread I read "Tradis" instead of Tardak... And I get an urge to watch Dr. Who.

Anywho, hope you get your answers lol.
I think you mean "TARDIS". T(ime) A(nd) R(elative) D(imensions) I(n) S(pace).


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Yup, that is exactly what I meant. Typo. People seem to be rampant in wanting to correct everything anyone says here, even if it is a very obvious mistake :/



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Yup, that is exactly what I meant. Typo. People seem to be rampant in wanting to correct everything anyone says here, even if it is a very obvious mistake :/
That's because this is an educational forum so we try not let ANY inaccuracies stand without being corrected for the next person who reads the thread.

Having been corrected many times I admit it can be irritating but get used to it or don't make any inaccurate statements no matter how trivial you think them.

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I don't think I've ever heard of them doing a collection and sperm count at ringside. Be quite the experience if they did, I'm sure.
I've never heard of a dog actually being tested for fertility either. Either at ringside or elsewhere.

I'm not familiar with either product--may just not be available in the US.

My only point was that if it was a chemical castration it would seem to be to far from the spirit of conformation competition.

The general requirement for AKC dogs (applies to all stardards of all breeds) is that the male have two testicles normally desended.
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