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Old 11-20-2012, 07:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dark Gums - 2nd Opinion?

In September I noticed that Brandy has a weird dark spot on her gums above her top molar. It's almost like a blister as far as texture. We took her to the vet who said that something could have gotten underneath it and is causing irritation. She said to keep an eye on it and let her know if it gets any bigger or if she goes off her food.
She followed up a couple weeks later and I said that there was no change. She said again to let her know if it gets any bigger. I checked today and it's still the same. It just doesn't seem right to me and I'm wondering if we should get a second opinion. Have any of you had anything like this?

I tried to get a couple pictures. It's probably a little darker than what they're showing.



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Gingivitis possibly? There are photos that look similiar here:

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I agree with Zelda. Her teeth need scaling and it should improve a bit I would hope. I am surprised the vet didn't think she should have her teeth cleaned.
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Gingivitis possibly?
We did ask if she needed to have her teeth cleaned and she said that the rest of them look good, so she didn't think she needed it yet.
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second opinion needed.

me thinks.

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We did ask if she needed to have her teeth cleaned and she said that the rest of them look good, so she didn't think she needed it yet.
I am also surprised with it being inflamed like that. It's not going to get better without a cleaning. What is your vet waiting for? An abscess or cause to extract a tooth so they get more money out of you? Brandy is 6 too? I would go ahead and get it done and just maintain brushing, she will probably feel much better
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I'm not sure what she's waiting for! If my tooth looked like that I can't imagine it would feel good. I sometimes jump to conclusions though and make mountains out of mole hills so it's nice to get validation that this is not right. We have a vet that's just down the street from us that I think I'll make an appointment with to get a second opinion.
I haven't brushed her teeth in the past, but it looks like I'll be starting!
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Instead of brushing try giving her some raw bones or necks (chicken/turkey seeing as you might have a turkey neck laying around)....

I've found with the fosters that like to chew on bones (and have some pretty bad teeth color, and calcium buildup) help....
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Instead of brushing try giving her some raw bones or necks (chicken/turkey seeing as you might have a turkey neck laying around)....

I've found with the fosters that like to chew on bones (and have some pretty bad teeth color, and calcium buildup) help....
This helped a ton with my greyhound who had awful teeth. I do think that irritation needs to be addressed, however.
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Brandy definitely has localized inflammation in the area of that molar and needs a dental scaling/cleaning. I cannot understand how your vet does not see that?
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You need a second DVM opinion, immediately. Something is going on with that tooth. And, it IS going to get worse. You need an Xray.

When you call for your second opinion, ask if the Vets at the potential new place, perform routine preventative dentistry, or dentals, such as root canals? If they don't, maybe, there is someone in the area who they can refer that has in house equipment. Or, go to a larger hospital that offers specialists.

The attitude of, "just call us if it gets worse", is translation: "We do not do dental preventatives; we do not have the expensive dental equipment in house, nor trained dental DVM, so call us when the tooth is SO bad- when your dog is not eating- that we will put your dog under anesthesia, pull the tooth. DONE."

(Pulling a tooth is no big deal. Saving a tooth is a big deal, in that it takes alot more expertise to save a tooth, than to pull a tooth.).
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Old 11-21-2012, 01:05 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Tropiclean has some products to add to water, also a Gel you put on the teeth. Another is ProDen PlaqueOff™. Add Raw meaty bones to the diet. Deer or Elk Antlers.
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With that much plaque no amount of brushing or additive will fix it. Those teeth need to be scaled, and quick.


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Yes, Clean the teeth ! I am willing to bet if you get the tartar off it will look alot better after a few days. I have a dental pick and have at least once every couple months, cleaned the tartar off my girls teeth. It may bleed a little with it being inflammed a bit, but better to get it clean now than to have it get worse. You can also put the tip of the dental pick just inside the gum and pull down against the tooth and any tartar that has worked up above the gum line should peel off. Just be careful

Brushing wont help at this point. The scales need to come off, try a bone first, but the quickest way to get it done is lay her down on the floor, lift up her lips and take a dental pick to them. I have a few, I try to avoid the pointy tipped ones though. I have one that looks like a mini flat head screwdriver. Scrapes any scales right off.

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Once you get the teeth clean I would recommend daily brushing. Keeps it from ever happening again, plus they look gorgeous with a pair of white chompers.

I've tried water additives foam you name it. Nothing works like brushing.


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Thanks everyone. I'm going to call today and see if we can't get her in to get her teeth cleaned and looked at!
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I also think it looks like she needs a cleaning, and there may be some infection going on there.

We do raw bones for tooth cleaning, but I also brush teeth. The dogs don't mind the brushing. I just do it when I do nails.
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I scale and pick Bacc's teeth. Not as good as an ultrasonic but it cuts down on the frequency of having a dental.
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Good for you, definate teeth cleaning a must ! Ever since my girl was a baby, that is one thing I wanted her to know was a routine thing. Me touching, poking, proding every part of her body ~ and knowing I wasnt going to hurt her. I even have a small hard rubber block that I put in between her teeth to keep her mouth open. She lays on the floor, I put a towel under her head for any drooling etc. I then take the dental pick and go over the teeth quickly as I can, checking also for any problems in her mouth. Then I even have a tooth polishing machine ( just a small hand held battery operated thing ) and polish her teeth. Talk about sparkling white teeth . My vet cant believe she lets me work in her mouth and do all this. But she knows Im not gonna hurt her and she gets loads of treats and loves afterwards. So its definately a good experience for her.
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It looks abscessed to me. I would definately go to a different vet. You don't want your losing teeth as an abscess can kill the root.
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poor thing.. yes get them cleaned.. then let her have bones to chew.. missy is six and is fed raw and her teeth are better than mine.. and have never been cleaned !!
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Back from the vet (2nd opinion). They definitely agree that she needs a cleaning. They will x-ray the tooth to see if it's still viable. She has a feeling from the way it looks, it will need to be extracted.
She also looked at Brandy's leg that has been bugging her. She said that when Brandy's under, they will be able to really manipulate it and see if it's more than just arthritis. In the meantime (we're waiting for the blood panel to come back) she put Brandy on Rimadyl for both her tooth and leg.
While we were there, Brandy nervous peed and the vet noticed her urine was very discolored. She asked if she could test it and it turns out she has a UTI. Poor girl is not feeling well at all!
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Really glad you got a second opinion! I hope they can save the tooth, but if not, she'll feel so much better once it's out.
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I am so happy you brought her in as soon as possible to a second Vet. It could have gone really bad,soon, with a bad tooth and a UTI, without intervention.

Great news that her issues are being addressed.
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