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Old 11-15-2012, 10:26 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Throwing up :(

Brinks is 5.5 months old. About 2-3 times a week for the last two months she will throw up. It is often about 3 in the morning that it happens but it also happens during the day. It just happened a few minutes ago, about 45 minutes after she had eaten. We switched her to ground raw about 2 months ago because on any dog food we would try, after about 2 weeks on the food she would throw up after EVERY SINGLE feeding of any dog food. Because of her allergies and sensitivities to so many foods (grain, beef, potatoes, and apparently something in all commercial dog food) she rotates between chicken, lamb, and fish. We don't stray from this at all.The vomiting has greatly decreased since switching to raw to only 2-3 times a week. It is never very much. If she has eaten recently, like this morning, its less then a 1/4 cup of food that comes up. If it's in the middle of the night, its mostly bile, occasionally some small pieces of bone or some grass.

She has no other symptoms, no diarrhea, no lethargy, no changes in appetite or water intake. She will throw up and then go bouncing around the house. She is completely up to date on shots and has been wormed. The only thing I can think of that might be causing it is that since we brought her home at 7 weeks, she has spent at least 10 weeks on oral antibiotics for UTIs and now a skin infection. She is currently 5 weeks into that 6 week course. I know that can mess up the natural bacteria in her stomach so I'm not sure if that's the problem. Is there something I can give her to help rebuild the natural flora in case that's the problem? She doesn't tolerate dairy well so yogurt is not an option. I would have thought she would throw up more regularly though if that was the problem. We've had complete blood work done trying to solve other issues and that all came back normal. We are awaiting vWD results.

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Old 11-15-2012, 10:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Is it active vomiting, or regurgitation? What did the vet say about it?
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:46 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Is it active vomiting, or regurgitation? What did the vet say about it?
I'm not sure I know the difference....how would you tell one from the other? The vet didn't really say much. Since they are isolated incidences, she'll throw up once and then not again for days, and no other symptoms, he didn't really seem concerned. In his defense, every time we've been in there, we've had multiple other problems to deal with. We were really hoping getting her on raw would stop this, and it did GREATLY decrease it, but it hasn't stopped.
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Regurgitation is the same food coming up as going down (but chewed and coated in saliva) but vomiting has been there a while before it comes up.

It sounds initially to me like you are correct about the stomach flora not being in balance. I would make 3 or 4 meals a day and use both enzymes and probiotics for dogs. Dog nutrition for arthritis, joint, cancer, heart, kidney, bladder, liver, reproductive system, senior care, stress, anxiety, yeast, and fungal. Fish oil, essential fatty acids, EFA, green foods, kelp, herbs, herbal formulas, immune support, vitamins and NZYMES.COM: Official Site! Natural Supplements for Pets and People are good sources. Other people can contribute their suggestions.

I have had this and breaking the meals up and making sure there is a new meal in the belly as the dog goes to bed along with Nzymes and probiotics solved my problem. It is worth trying since it is a better health alternative anyway - I feed raw too.
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Vivienne,
We do feed three times a day already but we will definitely look at those sources and see what kind of probiotic we can add! We feed her at about 7 AM, 1 PM, and then 8 PM right now. We used to feed her dinner at 5 or 6 but we moved it back hoping that would help decrease the vomiting and it didn't at all

Since the late night times are 6 or 7 hours after she's eaten, I don't think it can really be regurg....not sure though.
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We do feed three times a day already but we will definitely look at those sources and see what kind of probiotic we can add! We feed her at about 7 AM, 1 PM, and then 8 PM right now. We used to feed her dinner at 5 or 6 but we moved it back hoping that would help decrease the vomiting and it didn't at all

Since the late night times are 6 or 7 hours after she's eaten, I don't think it can really be regurg....not sure though.
My GUESS is that she is getting rid of undigested items in her tummy. I have "fixed" vomiting of undigested bone fragments with one of my dogs with the late night meal and Nzymes with Yogurt (I know, she can't have yogurt). I find pork bones are hardest to digest - I feed beef, veal, lamb, emu, pork, frozen raw sardines, eggs, turkey, chicken (ground necks are terrific) - no grains and fruit/veggies are opportunistic - figs on the ground, raspberries, tomatoes, excess cooked greens, yams but not a significant portion of the diet. Supplements are VitE, VitC (puppy), Fish Oil, B100 - they all line up for their pills - very excited to get their pills.
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OK, maybe that's what it is then! The only thing is her food is ground, except the fish. There's not really any large chunks of bone for her to digest. The ones she throws up are little tiny pieces. Maybe that's still too much for her though. She is an absolute doll with taking pills. She gets fish oil and a cranberry pill everyday, along with all her antibiotics and she will take all of them straight from your hand. We make sure we treat her like crazy for being so good though! I have read about adding Vit E to fish oil, how much do we need to add?
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OK, maybe that's what it is then! The only thing is her food is ground, except the fish. There's not really any large chunks of bone for her to digest. The ones she throws up are little tiny pieces. Maybe that's still too much for her though. She is an absolute doll with taking pills. She gets fish oil and a cranberry pill everyday, along with all her antibiotics and she will take all of them straight from your hand. We make sure we treat her like crazy for being so good though! I have read about adding Vit E to fish oil, how much do we need to add?
I give about 500 IU for an adult dog that gets 2 fish oil - my internist recommended this ratio.

ETA - check to make sure there is no soy or flax in the ground food because those are common enough allergens.
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Her food is 100% pure ground chicken or lamb and then we occasionally add a whole fish from the grocery store. Eliminating just about everything from her diet was pretty much the only way to get her to keep food down, so no worries about soy or flax!
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I would see an internal specialist if it keeps up and you are having trouble fixing it on your own. There could be more than simple digestive issues going on and I personally wouldnt waste time at regular/day clinic Veterinary hospital, I would just go to specialist but thats me. Good luck, hope its a simple fix for her
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