Christina93

Well we found out a few weeks ago that willow had red mange because of a ignorant breeding. Many people who just look at this site that have dobermans from bybs, like myself, may come across this issue. So I figured I'd post her amazing results! She was in antibiotics for 14 days and had medicated baths and dips at the vets every 10 days. She only had 2 dips and baths. The baths and dips were 40 dollars a visit and her meds were 15. Here are the results and im so happy. She will be getting spayed her next visit!

Before!



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After!!!



And her new collar!



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LindaH

Congratulations on the rapid results!!! Count your blessing and keep an eye on her...somehow, I think these words are not really needed.

Willow looks sooo much better.

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Awesome. I bet she feels better too.

Love her new collar.

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mmctaq

I'm glad that Willow is so much improved. Mange is the result of a poorly functioning or immature immune system. While it is true that a better breeder will not breed animals which display this, a crappy immune system can crop up anywhere occasionally... mange is not necessarily solely due to poor breeding practices.

The collar is fabulously midieval! When she races past you too closely or when you grab for her unthinkingly, you're going to pay some painful dues for having chosen those spikes! If she scratches at her neck, she is going to pay dues. If she is playing with another dog and the other dog is injured on those spikes, the other dog is going to react as if Willow had hurt it deliberately and respond in kind. Just sayin'...

If Willow was ten weeks old when you joined in August, she is not much more than a baby puppy now. Before you have her spayed, you might want to do some research into the benefits of allowing her to mature some before you have this done.

Christina93

Thanks everyone. She only wears that spiked collar while walking or going places. Not in the home area lol. Learned that lesson the first 5 mins she had that on. I'm happy her coat is a lot better. She was constantly itching and whining because of it. Now she hardly ever itches. No more meds and no more 5 hour dips and baths.


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Salamander

This stuff is -great- for red mange.

I kid you not, it will literally grow peach fuzz on hairless spots in 24 hours.

Nustock.com

One of my Ibizans who had a compromised immune system got demodectic [red] mange and it worked wonders on her.

I keep at least one tube of it on hand all the time.

It's a universal skin cure.

Happy to hear your pup is all better!

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Christina93

I might just have to get some of that! Her hair is grown almost all the way back but the vet said this will continue to happen and she will always be prone to severe allergies that will cause hair loss.


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mmctaq

What is your vet basing this on? That she had mange? She's a puppy... puppies have immature immune systems that frequently are poorly functioning. I don't think there is any reason to assume that she will have issues when she grows up.

CH4Sure

I agree there is no correlation between demodectic mange and allergies. Apples and oranges. I have one dog that has severe skin allergies and never had mange and another who had mange and doesn't have a single allergy. I would find another vet, preferably one who knows what they are talking about. Just my opinion.

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Christina93

No he wasnt basing the allergies on the mange. He did a few tests and noticed her immune system was very weak and we discussed her background and he was sure she would have allergies. But we're doing
More tests once she gets a little older.


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mmctaq

He really cannot say for sure that she will have allergies... not to mention, allergies are the result of OVERactive immune systems, not "weak" immune systems. I would be very interested in which specific tests he ran, and what the results were (you paid for them, so he has to give them to you). I think this guy is maybe setting you up to cover a few of his boat payments...

Christina93

Actually, I didn't have to pay for any of the tests. It was all included in her puppy exam. Which was only 35 dollars. He scrapped her skin twice and tested it under two different microscopes, the bill didn't say what type of tests or what he was looking for.


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Rosemary

Skin scrapes are to check for mange. He was looking to see if there were any mites present in the sample he took.

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Salamander

Sometimes scrapes are not enough.

Poor immunological train wreck Phoebe the Ibizan was scraped and he found absolutely no mange so he treated her 3 months for a 'systemic fungal infection'/'ring worm'.

The medicated baths 3 times a week, nauseating oral meds and gobs of ointments and lotions were misery for her.

When she was nearly naked, covered with sores and bleeding, I said screw it and bought the Nu-Stock.
[mange mites can bury under the skin and become undetectable by scrapes...punch biopsies become necessary and even then, you have to luck out and biopsy just the right spot, sometimes]

This is no exaggeration; in less than 2 days, she started to grow peach fuzz on her horrible 'elephant man' naked spots, the sores healed up and she regrew all of her hair back in less than a month.

All dogs 'have mange'; it's only when some other stressor overwhelms them that they show symptoms.

It was a 4 year battle with the recurrent mange, due to her immune system being basically shot and eventually, her chronic coprophagia caught up with her and she died in her sleep the night before we were to take her in to check for kidney failure.

But we had 4 pretty good years 'extra' with her because of that stuff.

If it looks like mange, whether it is or not, the non-toxic, harmless Nu-Stock is a good thing to try.

If it's going to work, it'll work fast so at least you'll know what the problem is....or isn't.

Every time my kids get any kind of itch or scrape, they get it put on them, just because.

I have a couple tubes at all times, I'm that happy with it.

Salamander

This will sound nuts but go to the vitamin store and buy her some Colostrum capsules.

It jacks up immune systems.

I take it and when I forget to for a while, I feel lousy.

I give it to my dogs, too.

Even though Odin has mild follicular dysplasia, his hair shines like blue-back satin and has gotten noticeably thicker.

The only thing I've done differently since the hair quality change is adding the Colostrum.

[my hair looks better, too]



Read this article

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And if you can, get this stuff:

Symbiotics Colostrum Plus Candida Formula - 120 Capsules

It is great.

mmctaq

I don't understand what this seems to imply... could you explain?

Salamander

She was a runt puppy and the breeder didn't bother to separate her from her siblings and she couldn't compete for food.

So, she ate their feces which were mingled in with pine shavings.

She had the worst case of coccidia anyone had ever seen and we raced from the airport in search of an e-vet because she was hypothermic, dehydrated, in deep shock and basically on her way out.

We managed to save her from all that but due to her fear of never having enough food [in spite of being well fed] she could not get over the need to eat every piece of dog poop she could find.

When we made a point to constantly remove the other dogs' feces from her reach, she'd eat her own immediately after defecating.

Our vet said if we couldn't find a way to stop her, she'd eventually get kidney failure from it and she apparently did.

The poor dog weighed 12 pounds at 3 months of age, she was so deprived.

She lived for nearly 10 years but she always had immune system issues.

She alone had been to the vet more times than all my other dogs, combined.

She just couldn't fight off infections and was always living on the edge.

That, of course, led to her final bout with demodectic mange.

We had gotten her to the point where her hair was coming back in, she was no longer scratching but the toll on her body was just too great.

The night she died, she kept sitting and looking at me with what appeared to be sorrow in her eyes but she didn't really act 'sick' except for not wanting her supper.

We planned to take her to the vet for a kidney function test the next day but when I woke up, I found her curled up on a pile of blankets.

She just looked asleep but before I could even call her name, I knew she was gone.

She was one of those sad puppies that should, by rights, have never survived but we kept her going for 10 years.

In spite of it all, she was joyous thing, full of happiness and energy.

Such is the life of a dog rescuer.

All too often, despite the best efforts, the initial damage is never completely undone.

I lost another rescue girl in 11/08 and then 3 more within 13 months of each other in 11/12.

It's a lot to bear.