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Old 12-05-2007, 03:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Rash?

Red's been licking himself a lot lately, but I only just noticed what appears to be a moist rash in his right ventral inguinal area, and just cranial to his prepuce on his midline.

Below are some pics - I tried to use spoiler tags to spare people who didn't want to see pics of his private area, but it appears that this forum doesn't support spoiler tags, so scroll down if you want to see pics...


































I have no idea how he could've gotten this. My first thought was his fleece coat might be rubbing him there and causing irritation, but he hasn't been wearing it lately, and the coat doesn't touch that area. Plus, I would think it would be on both sides if it was.

Other than that, I have no idea. He's always licked that area a lot - we are always telling him to stop licking and biting his peter (LOL), but I've never seen a rash on him before.

I'm not expecting a diagnosis over the internet but any ideas on what may have caused this? Has anyone else experienced this on their dobe?

I really hope it's not food allergies... ugh that would be a pain in the ass! Any help or comments are appreciated.
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Have you washed his coat in anything? Or his blankies - new detergent? I am super sensitive to dyes & perfumes & have to use dye free perfume free laundry soap. Other than that - I have no idea. It does look like an allergic reaction. Do you have poison oak or ivy in your area? Hopefully some one will be along shortly with a better answer
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Thanks for the reply, Jenny!

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Have you washed his coat in anything? Or his blankies - new detergent?
Not recently, and I haven't changed detergents or anything either.

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Do you have poison oak or ivy in your area?
Nope, not in our yard. Plus everything outside has been covered in snow for the over 2 weeks... which makes me think it's not something he got into outside.
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It looks like some kind of bite almost. Wow, I hope he gets better soon. Poor Dude
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Looks like a moist dermatitis. Probably itches that's why he's licking it. I would try some desitin on it. You might have to put a muzzle on him so he can't lick it for a couple of days so it can dry out and heal. Good luck, Tracy
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Funny Jasmine has been licking and itching herself to death lately! I think it's either from a seasonal allergy or just the lack of moisture in the air. I tried putting her on 50mg of Bendryl twice a day. Which did not really work then I tried rubbing in a Avenno moisturizing cream which seemed to help some. The vet feels it's a seasonal allergy but I think it just dry skin. That almost look's like something that he has come into contact with. One product that I am very happy with is something called Bag Balm, used for udder irratation on cow's..lol Does wonder for skin problems.
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Our lab tends to get that, but usually in the summer. I suspect with him, bug bites. (from going in the woods) He is clear now & will probably remain so through the winter. He has never licked it excessively either. So it has not become a real issue.
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Thanks for the replies, guys

I agree it looks like something he came in contact with - I just can't for the life of me think of what it could be. He isn't bothering it too much now, but I can imagine it is uncomfortable. I'm afraid to put anything on it because he'll just lick it right back off... and since it seems moist rather than dry/scaly, I'm not sure it would help anyway. Maybe if I had some Benadryl cream or something, that may help...

But I don't even have any Benadryl tablets at home. All I have is injectable Benadryl and Claritin tablets. I called one of the doctors I work with and discussed it with her. She recommended giving a Benadryl injection and if he's still itchy by bedtime, pop him a Claritin. She also recommended a skin scraping, which I will do if it doesn't resolve.

Since he doesn't seem extremely bothered at the moment, I just started with the Claritin tablet for now. Maybe I'll do the Benadryl injection later if he starts getting really itchy. I'll pick up some Benadryl cream and tablets while I'm out tomorrow. Trouble is that I don't get home from work til about 10pm so he'll have to go without until then. Maybe I'll give him another Claritin tomorrow morning... I highly doubt the Claritin is going to do any good, but it won't hurt and at least I'm doing something for the poor guy...
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Burns, Bendryl comes in pill form. What I do like about it over other allergy meds. it made for itching do to allergic reactions. Why not give a oatmeal anti itching bath in warm water followed by a diluted apple cider vinager rinse?? Just some suggestions. I am going to try this with Jasmine tomorrow I will let you know how it goes.
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Burns, Bendryl comes in pill form. What I do like about it over other allergy meds. it made for itching do to allergic reactions. Why not give a oatmeal anti itching bath in warm water followed by a diluted apple cider vinager rinse?? Just some suggestions. I am going to try this with Jasmine tomorrow I will let you know how it goes.
Yes, I know Benadryl comes in tablet form - I just don't have any on hand here at home, and I don't want to go back out tonight to buy some... All I have right now is the injectable form, but I was planning on picking some up tablets tomorrow... along with some Benadryl cream just in case.

And yes, please let me know how the bath and rinse goes with Jasmine! I hope her skin is feeling better soon. Maybe I'll pick up some of that udder cream you suggested too!
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Burns, my girl (Sklyer) has the same thing it looks like. Hers is not as irritated as Red's, but I have been giving her 25mg of Benadryl at night, because she only licks at it at night. It seems to help her. I don't give it every night, but about every other to every two nights I do. I didn't give it to her last night or the night before, and she licked at it quiet a bit last night. I think Skyler's may just be dry skin, but I am not a vet by any means. I think the heater coming on at night may be drying her out, since she only licks it at night. Under her front legs looks drier than usual also, but no red bumps yet. If hers gets worse, then I will take her to the vet. Hope Red gets better soon!
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Burns, I'm not sure about dogs, but for humans you're not supposed to use the Benadryl cream and pills at the same time. You may mean a different cream, but just in case, don't want to hurt him.
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The way it looks kind of oozy is what would make me worry. It looks like it has started going up his belly.

Okay, this is a totally random thought....and I am risking sounding like a total moron....but, could some kind of germ from his mouth started and infection on his belly? I mean it would only take a tiny scrape right? Staph? Yeast? Heck I dont know........just a thought.

It almost looks like burns. (no pun intended)
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I know!!!!!!!!! He is allergic to snow!!!!!!!! I guess you will have to send him here........he can do winters at the beach with us
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Burns, I'm not sure about dogs, but for humans you're not supposed to use the Benadryl cream and pills at the same time. You may mean a different cream, but just in case, don't want to hurt him.
Hmm, I've never heard that before. Thanks for the info - I'll look into that.

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The way it looks kind of oozy is what would make me worry. It looks like it has started going up his belly.

Okay, this is a totally random thought....and I am risking sounding like a total moron....but, could some kind of germ from his mouth started and infection on his belly? I mean it would only take a tiny scrape right? Staph? Yeast? Heck I dont know........just a thought.

It almost looks like burns. (no pun intended)
I agree, the moistness of it is what worries me too. And it's not out of the realm of possibilities that he got a scratch or something and infected it by licking it. Maybe I should do an impression smear of it and have a look under the microscope for any yeast, bacteria, or cells...

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I know!!!!!!!!! He is allergic to snow!!!!!!!! I guess you will have to send him here........he can do winters at the beach with us
heh I'm sure he wouldn't complain! Warm weather and lots of friends to play with - what more could a puppy want?? :biggrin55
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Hmmm, reminds me of diaper dermatitis. Is there something you’re not telling us? Like Tracy said, Desitin is a thought. I'd even consider miconazole. Do check with your vet. I assume you would administer the injectable Benadryl orally? Why give an injection if you don't need to. Benadryl shouldn't be used topically if you are giving Benadryl by another route due to the possibility of systemic absorption and potential overdose. Also, when Benadryl is administered topically it acts as a topical anesthetic. It doesn't work topically as an antihistamine. Oddly enough, hypersensitivity (allergy) to Benadryl can develop, so I feel it is best reserved for its use as an antihistamine. That means giving it PO, IV, or IM. There are other topical anesthetics out there to choose from if needed.

Hopefully, the rash will clear up soon! Let us know what you find out.
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Thanks again for the responses, everyone Very helpful replies here.

Red was feeling miserable by later last night, so I went ahead and gave 2mL (100mg) Benadryl SQ. It didn't really make him all that sleepy, but it really seemed to help him after a little while. Not as itchy and definitely more comfortable.

The rash seems a bit better today - not as moist or irritated. And he isn't bothering it at all like he was yesterday.

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I'm still going to pick up some Benadryl tabs and cream - never hurts to have on hand. But I won't use the two together. I'm also going to get some Animax from work, as my breeder suggested.

I'm still at a loss in regards to what caused this. I really can't think of what it could be. But I'll be sure to keep a close eye on that area and make sure it continues to resolve. Thanks again for the replies!
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You can take plain oatmeal and put it in a glass of water and let it sit a couple of hours, the resulting cloudy liquid can be used as a pat on spots remedy to reduce itching that is responsive to oatmeal baths. Its great to use between oatmeal baths on specific areas you want to treat daily to reduce swelling. Quick/instant oats dissolves better in water because it is a finer grind. Before everything came in so many formulas you had to make oat water if you wanted it to add to a shampoo etc.
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Thanks so much for the tip, Dobermom2b I will definitely do that if he continues to be itchy.

Question, how do you give oatmeal baths? I've heard of people giving them but do you actually do it? Is there an oatmeal shampoo to use, or do you use actual oatmeal somehow? This sounds like a stupid question, but I would appreciate if anyone could explain it to me.
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:34 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I can explain oatmeal baths for people, but i've honestly never given one to a dog! Its pretty similar to what dobemom2b said about the glass of water and oatmeal. You pour oatmeal into a warm bath ( not normally hot, but it depends on what type of irritation..) and allow it to sit for a few minutes ( 10-15) then you climb on in.... i'd assume the "climb on in" part might be slightly more difficult with a doberman...
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Okay, I was going to suggest the Aveeno oatmeal bath stuff that you buy at the drug store but reading further saw others had thought of it. The Aveeno or drug store brand (cheaper) is what I used for poison sumac I would get when trimming my hedges. It is great for drying the blisters up and really does relieve the itching. Soothing!!! This is the way I would go. Just follow the package instructions, you just add it to the water, it is not hard to use.

This groomer I buy food from has a pump that she puts in the tub and it has l a hose that comes from it and sprays the water. I have really thought about getting one as it makes bathing so easy. I think she said it costs around $50. I will find out where to get one if you are interested.

Something else I used that absolutely stopped all the itching and spreading of the poison sumac was Rulagel (Ruu la gel). It is a clear gel. I can't find it on the internet and am not positive of the spelling but am sure about the pronunciation. Best stuff I have EVER used, so the probably quit making it. It would definitely stop the itching and dry him up but I don't know the ingredients. You might try to find it in a drug store when you go for the benadryl or aveeno.
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Old 12-06-2007, 07:10 PM   #22 (permalink)
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For poison ivy, oak and summac you can also use Jewel weed (Impatiens capensis) also called touch-me-not its a trumpet shapped red to orange to yellow flowers some varieties are spotted. It almost always grows in the same area as any of the 'poison' things. The branches are very brittle and have a swollen joint, you can crush plant and stems and use the sap on poison anything, on sun and windburn, rashes, to take the sting out and will stop misquetos bites from itching. You can boil it down in a pan with water and freeze it in ice cubes for year around use. Its an annual and almost impossible to transplant, its very hard to recreate the enviroment it grows in unless you have moist woodlands/creek beds to plant the seeds in. The seeds themself are thrown by the plant at the slightest bump and hard to gather. If it does grow it can become invasive and is considered a nusance species in some areas. It doesnt stay bloomed long but it makes it easier to spot, once you recognize it you wont need the flowers to spot it.

On the oatmeal bath, either put it in a glass or if you want it to be neater you can make a bag to hold the oatmeal out of pantyhose. Sponge the water on the dog and let it stay for about 15 mins then pat them trying not to rub which stimulates the skin to itch again. On dobes its not an issue but on long coat dogs the pantyhose method prevents visible pieces from sticking at the skin level of the coat. Some people just toss a big handful in a tub of bath water for themselves. You can also run it through a blender to powder it up more to a finer size.

If the dog actually needs a bath I would do that first and rinse really good. My understanding is that the oatmeal liquid should be left on not rinsed off.

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Our boy has something which looks EXACTLY like that (he gets the rash in his armpits too!)--the vet thinks it may be allergy based. He gave us an antiseptic shampoo called Chlorhexiderm (I think it may be prescription) which knocks out the redness in just one or two days, even when the rash has gotten oozy. The rash shows up randomly from time to time which is why we think it may be allergy. We can't figure out what could be the cause, but have a sneaking suspicion it may be related to the occasional table scraps he gets. Vet also suggested cortisone cream (over the counter) and said that the small amounts he would lick off wouldn't hurt him, but I've not seen as good a response, and I hate to use cortisone unless absolutely neccessary.
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Old 12-06-2007, 09:15 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info about the oatmeal baths! That helps a lot, thanks!


Red's rash is looking A LOT better tonight. It's not raised or moist anymore, and the redness has decreased a lot. I guess that Benadryl injection last night helped.

I brought some stuff home from work to do an impression smear and a skin scraping, and also some Zn7 Derm solution as well. I also bought some diphenhydramine tablets and cream (generic Benadryl) just to have on hand in case I need it again. Thankfully, it looks like I won't need to use any of this stuff, so that's good!

Thanks again for all the replies and help - I really appreciate it!! :biggrin55
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My red Doberman Teddy had a rash that looked similar. The vet gave me a shampoo called KetoChlor. After the first bath, the rash was gone.
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