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Old 07-13-2012, 03:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Turmeric or Zeel for arthritis?

Has any one tried either turmeric or a product called Zeel as a treatment for arthritis?

My dog Greta has arthritis in her front left elbow, and the vet has prescribed Meloxicam. I filled the prescription last night, and started reading all the warnings. Now I don't want to give it to her.

I've been doing some research and hearing that turmeric works wonders. Also that Zeel is a good product, and natural, no drugs.

If there is something natural without the possible side effects and damage from NSAIDS, I would really rather use it.

My vet is going to call me today with the results of her blood work, at which time I will ask him if he knows about these. But the thought crosses my mind, if he knows about them, why didn't he say anything?

Anyone have any knowledge/experience about safe and natural treatments for arthritis pain/inflammation...that work?
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Is your dog on joint support products currently? Glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM, hyaluronic acid, fish oil, etc.?
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We started using the Heel products at work last year, so far I'm really impressed and so are the clients. It has proven to work pretty well, and the price is a large bonus for owners! Plus many of them like it for the same reason you're interested, it's not an nsaid/hardcore drug with a long list of side affects.

It's rare that we use just one though. Dependent on the condition we use Zeel,Traumeel, and other muscle/spasm/inflammatory compounds together, and have had our best results crushing the tablets and mixing with a little honey or water and pouring the liquid into their jowels (the companies preferred optimal absorption method). Traumeel does come in drops and gel too and I believe the zeel has drops, we just don't have them at work.

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I give my dog Glucosamine/Chondroitin. Used to give her Glucosamine/MSM, just recently changed to the Chondroitin. There was a noticeable improvement a couple of years ago when I first started her on Glucosamine. But recently she's been having trouble with her right front leg, in spite of the Glucosamine/Chondroitin, and x-rays have shown arthritis in her elbow.

I used to given them salmon oil, I think I will start adding a bit of that to their food.

The vet called and what he had to say was that he thinks I shouldn't fear the NSAIDs so much. He thinks I should give them a try. She never had any problem at all with short periods of time (10 days) on Rimadyl, and from what I read Meloxicam is better, gentler on their organs. He knew about the tumeric, certainly for humans, but felt I should try the Meloxicam. He said they've had dogs on it for five-six years at a time with no problems. He thinks we should at least try it for six weeks or so and go from there.

I don't want to waste a lot of time experimenting, I want her to feel good as soon as possible. So I think I'll start the Meloxicam, keep a close eye on her, and meanwhile keep researching some of these alternatives.

When she was on Rimadyl for 10 days recently, she was noticeably more active and playful, and running like the wind more like in her younger days. It gives me joy to see her like that...she was always such an athletic dog! : )

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Sounds like a good plan, I wouldn't want my dog in pain while I debate treatment either.
I guess imo the problem I have with nsaids and arthritis or any long term condition is that I don't want my dog on them for that long term and with arthritis that's pretty much what it would be.

We have a wobblers dog on heel products who gets sporadic low level lasering and chiropractic adjustments and he hasn't needed any nsaids in months and has defied the neurologists prognosis, by still being here and even improving his condition over the last 6 months. (no his back didn't get better obviously, but he put weight and muscle back on that he had lost for the past year previously)

Just my opinion but I'd keep pushing my vet on what I feel is a better, safer option
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I've used turmeric in the past. This was for a dog with unexplained front lameness, more than likely a soft tissue injury. We couldn't give him NSAIDS, due to a pre existing liver problem. It worked well. He was given 450 mg. 2x day.

However, I don't believe it's going to be too successful with advanced arthritis.

Another option is injectable Adequan, which I've also used in the past for another dog, one with with arthritis. Adequan not only provides pain relief, it also can slow down deterioration of the joint. Being honest, tho-the dog did well on adequan only, but did much better on a combination of adequan and rimadyl. I bought into the hysteria about rimadyl, and resisted giving it to him for a long time. Then he had a bad fall and subsequent injury, so I started the rimadyl. When I saw how much more active and happy he was on both, I felt very badly that my fears had prevented him from having that kind of quality of life all along.

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I would be supplementing with a product or combination of products which provided at least 1200 mg. glucosamine, 800 mg. chondroitin, 2000+ mg. MSM, 25 mg. hyaluronic acid, 1000 mg. fish oil per 10 lbs. body weight. Some green lipped mussel is good, too. Elk velvet antler is also good.

Provided your dog tolerates NSAIDs, I think it is more beneficial to do them than to withold them on general principle. If you're going to be doing them long-term, it might be a good idea to do a liver value test and then repeat that every four to six months. Some dogs will have issues, and some dogs won't.
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I haveused fish oil on my 14 yr old mixed girl. The dosage is 300mgs combined DHA/EPA, should be in 1000mgs fish oil, per 10 lbs bodyweight split into two doses daily. Vitamin E should always be supplimented when giving fish oils. The dosage is 5 to 10 IUs per pound bodyweight daily. I could tell a huge difference within a week. Fish oil relieves the inflamation of arthritis.
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I would be supplementing with a product or combination of products which provided at least 1200 mg. glucosamine, 800 mg. chondroitin, 2000+ mg. MSM, 25 mg. hyaluronic acid, 1000 mg. fish oil per 10 lbs. body weight. Some green lipped mussel is good, too. Elk velvet antler is also good.

Provided your dog tolerates NSAIDs, I think it is more beneficial to do them than to withold them on general principle. If you're going to be doing them long-term, it might be a good idea to do a liver value test and then repeat that every four to six months. Some dogs will have issues, and some dogs won't.
She gets 1500 mg glucosamine and 1200 mg chondroitin per day. No MSM at this time. I was giving her 1500 mg glucosamine and 1500mg MSM for a long time, only recentlyl tried the chondroitin formula instead.

She just had bloodwork and urinalysis done, one of her liver enzymes was slightly elevated, but the vet said that one alone doesn't concern him since everything else is good. He said that one fluctuates up and down normally anyway. He mailed me the actual results, I should have them in a couple days. The vet says we will check her liver function, etc. every six months as long as she is on the Meloxicam.

I want the VERY BEST for this dog, which might not necessarily coincide with some of my opinions. For example, I won't even take an aspirin. But this is about her, not me.
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My girl is eight and a half, and beginng to pay for a lifetime of reckless abandon... she responds to "Crash" as well as to her actual name LOL!

I started her last year on a combination product, and it helped a lot. A few months ago, I added an additional 1000 mg. MSM in the morning and at night, and it helped a lot more. The product I am using provides 400 mg. MSM, but with this more seems to be better.

There was a study done on Omega 3 fatty acids a while ago. They took a bunch of ouchy dogs, found the level of pain meds that appeared to restore comfortable mobility, added the Omega 3 fatty acids, and were able to halve the medication and still have the same apparent level of relief.

I have not used elk velvet antler, but a friend of mine said that it provided several years of comfort for her very geriatric, very arthritic Akita. If Rachael/Crash begins to get ouchy again on what I'm giving, EVA is the next thing I plan to add.
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Any products which contain herbal ingredients should be run by the vet to see if they are contraindicated with meds. Herbs have pharmacological action, and cannot be used as casually as nutritional supplements.
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My girl is eight and a half, and beginng to pay for a lifetime of reckless abandon... she responds to "Crash" as well as to her actual name LOL!

I started her last year on a combination product, and it helped a lot. A few months ago, I added an additional 1000 mg. MSM in the morning and at night, and it helped a lot more. The product I am using provides 400 mg. MSM, but with this more seems to be better.

There was a study done on Omega 3 fatty acids a while ago. They took a bunch of ouchy dogs, found the level of pain meds that appeared to restore comfortable mobility, added the Omega 3 fatty acids, and were able to halve the medication and still have the same apparent level of relief.

I have not used elk velvet antler, but a friend of mine said that it provided several years of comfort for her very geriatric, very arthritic Akita. If Rachael/Crash begins to get ouchy again on what I'm giving, EVA is the next thing I plan to add.
That is exactly what it's like with Greta! She's 8 1/2 and starting to pay for a lifetime of reckless abandon! : )
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That would be the common sense thing to do.
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Has any one tried either turmeric or a product called Zeel as a treatment for arthritis?

My dog Greta has arthritis in her front left elbow, and the vet has prescribed Meloxicam. I filled the prescription last night, and started reading all the warnings. Now I don't want to give it to her.

I've been doing some research and hearing that turmeric works wonders. Also that Zeel is a good product, and natural, no drugs.

If there is something natural without the possible side effects and damage from NSAIDS, I would really rather use it.

My vet is going to call me today with the results of her blood work, at which time I will ask him if he knows about these. But the thought crosses my mind, if he knows about them, why didn't he say anything?

Anyone have any knowledge/experience about safe and natural treatments for arthritis pain/inflammation...that work?
Hi, I don't know about this product Zeel, but I can highly recommend a natural product called Chondropaw. I give it to my 9 yearl old dog, with amazing results in a very short time! I didn't want to give my dog any drugs, fortunately i didn't have to!. This product is natural, it won't hurt his liver, but most importantly, it works!. Another plus is that you give it to your dog only once a week, and not very expensive less than $50. Give it a try, research them online. Here is their website: Dog Hip Dysplasia, Dog Arthritis and Joint Pain Treatment and Natural Solution: Chondropaw.com
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I just put my 9 yr old Vizsla on Metacam for arthritis. To me it's about quality of life. There are some risks with NSAIDs but I think they are minimal enough and worth a try to keep her from limping. Her arthritis is mild and caught early. We did a 3-4 week dose of full strength Metacam and slowly lowered it. I now give her a 13-14 lb dose and she's 38ish lbs.
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Use Olive Leaf Extract for treating arthritis.Its effective and cures it well
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I don't believe that anything short of joint replacement "cures" arthritis, but there certainly are things that help control the joint damage and inflamation, and help with the pain.
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