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Old 04-21-2012, 08:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Digestive problems?

Hi everyone, I was hoping someone might be able to help me figure out whats going on with my Diavlo. I have a vet appointment this coming Monday, but to tell you the truth I'm so impatient, especially when I'm worried over the health of my loved ones. So if you have any idea what this could be from the symptoms Im describing, please let me know what ya think..

Ok, so Diavlo turned 4 months old yesterday. We've had him since he was 8 weeks, and this boy CAN EAT.. Im sure this is common for puppies this age since they are growing so fast.. BUT Diavlo has ALWAYS had the MOST horrible gas.. Like seriously, he can easily clear the entire lower level of our house! That alone is a concern of mine because I know that indicates he may not be properly digesting his food (which is Solid Gold Wolfcub Bison). Theres more though, every evening for the past 3 weeks or so he seems to get diarrhea but only at night! By morning, its completely normal again! It's really been worse in the past week though. I asked my vet about the gas problem before, and she suggested I change his food to Science Diet because it's the only food that is supposedly made to pharmaceutical standards.. I just didn't like what I read about Science Diet, and it didn't rank very high on the food analysis website I got from reading these threads..

Anyway, heres a little more info.. We did just change to frontline plus 2 weeks ago, but like I said this has been going on a bit longer, especially the gas! Before he was on Solid Gold he was on Canidae (bison and fish I believe) and before that he was on Iams large breed puppy(lamb). When we switched him over we mixed the food half and half so that it wouldn't be too hard on his stomach. He's been on Solid gold though for about 5 weeks now at least. He also gets some ground beef mixed in with his food twice a day maybe 4-5x a week. Ofcourse he gets a few small reward treats a day that are also made by solid gold that have glucosamine in them. He already weighs 55 lbs at 4 months but he really isn't fat at all. He has been consistently gaining about 5lbs a week since we brought him home. He drinks plenty of water, and doesn't seem to "feel bad" but ya never know with dogs.. They tend to "belly-ache" out loud less then us human types I think anyway lol, so Im very concerned about my 4 legged son ;( Has anyone ever had this experience before? Any ideas or advice would be greatly appreciated. Like I said, we've got the vet appt set for Monday evening, Im just racking my brain trying to figure out what it could be! He's also up to date on all his shots, I forgot to add that earlier.. Please help if ya can, Im worried about my boy ;(
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Old 04-22-2012, 01:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You may want to consider changing his food.........that has alot to do with gas and upset stomach. I've used EVO chicken the company was sold so I keep watch on any changes. Be careful about anything spicy like treats etc. Give only organic treats.

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I would look at food as the cause as well. Both you mentioned were just on the voluntary recall list by Diamond.
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One of the most common causes of diarrhea is overfeeding. Try cutting his food back. Try giving a teaspoon of plain greek yogurt, not flavored or fruity. The greek yogurt has 5 probiotics that should help with gas. If it doesnt help, look at a food change. A doberman puppy needs to be kept thin, with the last couple of ribs showing, not heavy. You want to keep weight off of those bones and joints. The normal gain for a healthy male doberman puppy is 10 lbs a month, bigger is not better. Overfeeding can cause growth problems of the bones and joints. Pano, a painful growing disease of the legs, is common in pups that get too many calories and grow to fast. Pano has no lasting problems, but it is painful for your pup and they often have to be crated for recovery. Dobermans were bred to be a medium sized breed in order to be fast and agile for their job of personal protection. The average male weighs 80 to 90 lbs, most falling within the mid range of that span.
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One of the most common causes of diarrhea is overfeeding. Try cutting his food back. A doberman puppy needs to be kept thin, with the last couple of ribs showing, not heavy. You want to keep weight off of those bones and joints. The normal gain for a healthy male doberman puppy is 10 lbs a month, bigger is not better. Overfeeding can cause growth problems of the bones and joints. Dobermans were bred to be a medium sized breed in order to be fast and agile for their job of personal protection. The average male weighs 80 to 90 lbs, most falling within the mid range of that span.
I don't normally do "What she said!" posts... but: what Linda said! I suspect you are feeding way too much... cut him back!
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One of the most common causes of diarrhea is overfeeding. Try cutting his food back. Try giving a teaspoon of plain greek yogurt, not flavored or fruity. The greek yogurt has 5 probiotics that should help with gas. If it doesnt help, look at a food change. A doberman puppy needs to be kept thin, with the last couple of ribs showing, not heavy. You want to keep weight off of those bones and joints. The normal gain for a healthy male doberman puppy is 10 lbs a month, bigger is not better. Overfeeding can cause growth problems of the bones and joints. Pano, a painful growing disease of the legs, is common in pups that get too many calories and grow to fast. Pano has no lasting problems, but it is painful for your pup and they often have to be crated for recovery. Dobermans were bred to be a medium sized breed in order to be fast and agile for their job of personal protection. The average male weighs 80 to 90 lbs, most falling within the mid range of that span.
Wow, very informative post! I think you guys may have hit the nail on the head with the overfeeding thing.. I may have this "Italian mama" overfeeding thing going on, and I may have rubbed off on my husband too! It's just so hard to look at his hungry little eyes and say "enough!" We have been giving him about 6 1/2 cups of kibble a day, plus the extras I mentioned earlier. I guess I've been telling myself that too much is better then too little, and I really need to take a look at that. The wolfking bag suggested 5-7cups per day for a pup his age, but ofcourse they are a business and want to sell more bags of food.. Thats the bottom line there, the almighty dollar Im shocked to hear they've been recalled as well, jeez I thought we were buying him one of the best we could offer.. Thank you so much for letting me know this! I know this is a personal decision for everyone, but I really would love any suggestions on which brands would be good for me to look into? It's so frustrating to read into these things and find so much conflicting info out there, do you know what I mean? I guess I would just like to know, what are you guys using? That would hold a lot more weight in my eyes than the .com sites I find on the net that are ultimately selling something.. In other words, the only bias I believe most of you have is your love of the breed, and I'm right there with you all on that one!

As far as the weight thing, the whole size thing for that matter, I'm 100% on board with that too. I love this breed for what it is, and thats a sleek/medium sized and extremely agile dog that is not over-sized in any way. I have been looking at him like how could this be healthy for him to continue to grow at this rate? I imagine him a year down the road with aches and pains in his over-stressed joints and I feel sick inside. I won't let that happen if I can help it! He's not fat at all, I can still feel and even see his ribs, but he could stand to be a little thinner for sure. It's hard for me to judge since well Im his mom, and to me he is perfect and beautiful in every way of course Maybe I could post a few pics and you guys could give me your opinion? Like I said, in no way do I want him to be a "superior sized" dog, I want him to be a healthy and happy dog that falls into the right parameters for the breed I chose and love so much

Thank you all so very much, and please keep the suggestions coming!
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You may want to consider changing his food.........that has alot to do with gas and upset stomach. I've used EVO chicken the company was sold so I keep watch on any changes. Be careful about anything spicy like treats etc. Give only organic treats.

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Thank you for your advice with the food as well. Boy I have so much to learn in this area, and I feel strained to find the knowledge quickly so that I might meet his needs adequately during this important 1st year of his life! I want to give him the best start possible so badly!
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I don't feed kibble but I know a lot of people have success with Purina Pro Plan.
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I fed Orijen large breed puppy formula when Shanoa was young and was extremely pleased with it. We did try Solid Gold and one point and she never did very well on it. It seems that most of the foods out there, even very good foods, have had a recall at some point in the last few years. Orijen and Acana (both made by Champion Pet Food) haven't.

That said, I am now feeding Nature's Domain (a grain free food that you can buy at Costco) and am really pleased with it.

As several have said, overfeeding can definitely lead to problems.
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I just had the idea that maybe I'm overlooking the option of just cooking for him myself.. I grew up thinking that dogs are suppose to eat store bought "dog food" only, but I've been noticing that a lot of people just aren't doing that anymore, and it does make sense if you have the time and money to do that. I am kind of short on both of them, lol but who isnt these days right? I'm sure I can get creative and shift the budget around just enough if I really work at it. After all, this wolfking isnt cheap to begin with!

The hardest part for me I guess is, how much is the right amount?? Im sure its a little different for each dog ofcourse depending on their caloric expenditure, their age and what not, but can someone give me a good idea of how much a 4 month old male Dobie who is pretty darn active (what puppy isn't though right?) should be eating? We still feed him 3x a day.. Perhaps it should only be twice? Or maybe just smaller amounts each serving? I know I've got to be the one who decides this ultimately, but most things I've read on the subject either seem vague or conflict with eachother, it's very frustrating sometimes. Does anyone have a solid reputable source/site that you can point me to? What about this raw food diet? This is how I get myself lost in all the info I guess.. I always have another question pop up in my mind, makes me lose track of my original concern.. Darn this ADHD type brain of mine!
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First of all, Solid Gold is a decent food and okay to feed. Solid Gold is NOT ON RECALL. There is a voluntary recall on all dog foods made at the Diamond plant in South Carolina as a precaution, because there is a recall on ONE FORMULA of a brand made at the South Carolina plant. All Solid Gold sold in the U.S. is made elsewhere. I posted that info before, but was assuming everyone knew this only concerned the Diamond plant in South Carolina as that info had been previously posted.///// OP, the easiest way to start cutting back is to eliminate treats. Then start cutting back SLOWLY to 4 1/2 to 5 cups a day. If you want to give treats, you will have to cut back ondog food fed, count calories! You are close to the age to cut back to two meals a day, anyway. I would eliminate the noon meal by five to five and a half months. You could just start slowly cutting back amount fed at noon meal till its phased completely out. Orijen or Acana pup foods are great, if you change. Cooking or raw are great if balanced.
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