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Dry flaky skin :(

Gunner has always had a nice coat, but the past two months or so, his skin has become really dry and flaky. The entire time I've owned him he's been fed TOTW pacific stream (fish). I don't bathe him unless it's absolutely necessary and he gets brushed at least every other day. Any ideas how to fix this? He's not itchy at all and doesn't lick his paws, so I don't think it's an allergy. Last time he was out of food, the store was sold out of TOTW so I got pro plan sensitive skin and stomach. I hated buying a purina product, but it was the best thing they had, and I know some dobes do well on it. He's almost through the whole huge bag, and if anything, his skin is worse. What can I do? Is there another kind of food I should try? Supplements? Help..the flakes are gross and his coat is dull.

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Dogs respond differently to different foods. I would go back to the TOTW pacific stream (fish) formula you were feeding him before. In the future I would shop around until you find it. It's a common food that plenty of places sell.
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When we got Oliver his hair was like pig hair. His skin was dry and the hair was like bristles. He didn't do well on alot of foods and I started him on Salmon oil. His skin and hair are much better now. If it is cold where you are at and you have the heat on, that my be drying him out too. If you can go back to his TOTW, that maybe the cause too.

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When I was a kid my grandmother use to give her dog cod liver oil. She tried with me but I had no part of it. Hehehe

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You can feed sardines, and fish oil in the meantime. For a quick fix, go to your vets and ask for allerderm, it's several capsules you bust open and apply like flea treatment. It repairs the skin and brings up the natural oils. Normally used for dogs with skin allergies that need relief, but can also be used for really dry skin.

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what are you using to brush him? It might be causing the flakes. I think I might use the Zoom groom (curry comb I think is another name) maybe a few times a year on Flirt. That's all I do. I never thought Dobes really needed "brushing." The zoom groom pulls the dead hair out.

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HI.
Lily's had dry skin issues for years.
She's also on TOTW Fish....and doing well. I've been adding fish oil pills to her food and her skin is in the best state she's ever had. It's also VERY cold and dry here in Toronto.....so that doesn't help....but I suggest the fish oil pills for sure. They made a HUGE difference for her.
The pup gets them too....his coat has no problems.
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what are you using to brush him? It might be causing the flakes. I think I might use the Zoom groom (curry comb I think is another name) maybe a few times a year on Flirt. That's all I do. I never thought Dobes really needed "brushing." The zoom groom pulls the dead hair out.
I agree Adara--I don't "brush" my dogs--a lot of time all that brushing does to short haired single coated dogs is irritate the skin. To remove loose hair I use a dampened terry cloth towel and wipe the dog down. Also if you insist on "brushing" the dog get a natural bristle, VERY soft brush to do it with--the brushes used for polishing shoes will work for that.

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I'd stop brushing him and at six months I start giving puppies fish oil (I don't recommend using cod liver oil--it contains so much Vitamin A that you can overdose a dog)--I get the fish oil I use from Costco--under their Kirkland brand--make sure you don't buy the enteric coated stuff--GI tract is too short in dogs and it often doesn't disolve--the stuff I buy is not enteric coated, is 1,000 mg gel capsules that I just toss into the dogs breakfast and dinner. It's still under $10 for 300 capsues as I recall. I'd start a dog on 1 capsule a day and in a couple of weeks up that to 2 capsules. I also give Vitamin E (also from Costco, Kirkland brand 400iu gel caps) at the rate of 200 iu per 1,000 mg of fish oil.

Puppies do go through multiple coat changes in their first year so part of the problem may lie there and seasonal change from summer/fall to winter may account for some of it too.

I don't know about the food--I've never had a dog that didn't do well on Purina's ProPlan Sensitive Skin and Stomach (Salmon and Rice) The fawn dog was weaned on it but not all dogs do well on the same food. Some of the very high end foods that I've tried out from time to time left the coat on two of my black dogs looking like a blackboard surface--dull beyond belief.

If Gunner was doing well on the TOTW pacific stream I'd probably put him back on that but if the coat problem started before you changed foods I'd be thinking about also adding fish oil. I know that some friends with Dobes who feed a food they liked so much that they finally became distributors for it to guarantee that they wouldn't have to worry about running out just doesn't have enough fats/oils/Omega 3 fatty acids in it during the winter so they suppliment with fish oil during the winter months.

And even if you only bathe when absolutely necessary I'll remind you that keeping the water you use at very cool temperatures will definitely help prevent flakiness.

Good luck on tracking down the problem.
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Thanks guys I use a very soft brush on him. I don't press down at all...I more or less just sweep the dead hairs off his coat. I don't press down hard enough to irritate his skin. He started having the flaky skin while still on TOTW, but I know it's a good food so maybe if I put him back on that and add in the fish oil it would help. Only one store sells TOTW here so I will maybe start buying an extra bag here and there so I don't run out again.

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Like others have said, some dogs do great on one food, but not another. Goodness knows, I've had that experience. Got a bag of food that is on the "approved" list from Whole Dog Journal, and was told by several people it was the BEST food I could ever feed my dogs. Two weeks into the bag, Lucky was hospitalized with accute pancreatitis, and Ilka looked like she had been outside in a snowstorm. I threw out the rest of the bag, and put them back on ***gasp*** Bil-Jac. Ilka's skin is no longer flaky, and Lucky is a healthy 11 year old. Both have lovely coats, and no gas like they did on the other food.

I'd try another food, and possibly something like Missing Link or salmon oil.
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Thanks guys I use a very soft brush on him. I don't press down at all...I more or less just sweep the dead hairs off his coat. I don't press down hard enough to irritate his skin. He started having the flaky skin while still on TOTW, but I know it's a good food so maybe if I put him back on that and add in the fish oil it would help. Only one store sells TOTW here so I will maybe start buying an extra bag here and there so I don't run out again.
Hmmmm...you might also think about switching to TOTW in a non fish formula--it does occur to me that if he was already being flaky on the TOTW Pacific Stream and got worse on ProPlan Sensitive Skin & Stomach he may be developing a sensitivity to fish (sensitivities don't necessarily constitute allergies and sometimes just remain sensitivities--meaning the dog doesn't thrive on the food). I don't like lamb formulas for Dobes (I've tried several over the years and always had dull coats and trouble keeping weight on) but poultry (chicken or turkey) or beef (but in all honesty I've had more sensitivities to beef than anything else).

I'd definitely start him on fish oil though and eggs also contain a lot of biotin which is great for skin--all my dogs get either a spoonful of yogurt of cottage cheese--both of which are good for skin.

Good luck in tracking down the culprit.
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Dry skin

My doby, Ruby has the dry skin thing going on too. I feed wellness Core, The fish one but she still has a problem. Should I still add fish oil even with the fish dog food?

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I doubt the fish in the food has enough of it to reap any benefits. This is the fish oil I currently use: http://www.icelandpure.com/premier_omega.htm


Also, check out this thread: Coconut oil


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My guys have been on TOTW for at least a year now. I started with one kibble meal in the am and one raw meal in the pm. Then I put him on a diet and eliminated the raw meal...about a month later his coat went to crap. I started him on fish oil, and an evening raw meal again (with a mixture of things like veggies, meats, raw egg, cottage cheese, and yogurt). His coat looks so much better now, and he is still on TOTW. I tried EVO, but never got anything but runny stools.

I like TOTW, it is one of the only foods I have tried that Hans has firm stools on. I feed the poultry one, and sometimes the bison. I keep him on a 32% protein minimum, the other two types of TOTW have a 25% min.

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Fish oil for sure.

Some dogs just don't do well on kibble. I've tried a ton of different kibbles with Ziggy and I'm never satisfied for long. I fed TOTW for several months but out of the blue it started to make him stink really, really bad. I switched the food and the stink improved tremendously.

You might just have to keep trying different things.


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Dry and dull coat

Hello! I had something similar this summer with my 2 years old girl Arya. Since I got her she been raised on Nutro UltraHollistic. She been doing great but I always found her stools were on the soft side. So in my quest to find what it is best for my kids I got across the Orijen brand. It is much better stuff than Nutro. The first bag I got her was the red meat kibbles. She did very well. Nice coat, firm stools. Then when that bag was empty I went bag to the store. They were out of the red meat kind but they had the 6 fishes kind, also made by Orijen. So I bought it. A week or so after I noticed her coat seems to be dull. I gave her salmon oil pills and omega pills. Her coat was getting worst. After 1 month her coat have gotten worst. She was starting to have bald spots and pimples were growing and she was itching a lot.

I put her back on nutro for a while and she seems to get a bit better. I went to the vet who prescribed a bottle of medicamented shampoo. I was bathing her twice a week and this seemed to help. Finally after many search I put her on antibiotics for 1 months because after seeing 3 vets and spending $300 on tests they ruled out demodex mange, fleas, skin parasites. The antibiotics are working fine and her coat is almost as good as before this event. So it was probably a staphylococcus infection.

I read in another thread that Doberman do not do always well on fish kibbles. Something about having problems to deal with the extra copper in this sort of kibbles.

Now, she is 50-50 on Nutro mixed with Orijen Red Meat. I am in the process of bringing her back on Orijen Red Meat only. I also add fresh vegetables and chicken hearts with beef every other days, and she is doing very good. Also in the last week I started to give her cold pressed coconut oil. Her coat is know very nice and shiny.

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Maybe something to do with weather and allergies too
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