lyngr

I put about a tsp of garlic powder into Nike's dinner last night (which included raw chopped meat) and now she has awful runs and gas(there was mucus in her stool this yesterday but that seems to have passed).

I'm not sure if it was the raw or the combo of both (I haven't given her raw in a long time).


I've always heard that a little garlic powder was good for flea and such (here, in fact) but now after her symptoms and googling, I'm a bit worried about hemolytic anemia.


Other than the above mentioned symptoms she has been acting fine. Should I be worried?


(I posted this on another forum too)

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dobebug

Hi Lyn,

Actually I just answered you on the other forum.

I think you gave way too much. Garlic powder is highly concentrated and a teaspoon is enough for a huge pot of spaghetti sauce for instance.

As far as garlic being useful in flea prevention I've done a bunch of searching and reading on that and it seems to be an urban/suburban legend.

Most dogs, even if they aren't regularly fed raw can deal with some raw (don't know just how much you gave her) but I'm guessing that the garlic powder would have been enough to cause the diarrhea.

As far as the business of garlic, like onion, being able to cause hemolytic anemia in dogs (and other species) that is reversable (you stop feeding garlic or onion) and was done using information from long term feeding. Onions and garlic are related and evidently in dogs there is another syndrome that is caused by a genetic inablity to process the onion (the common one) or garlic (less common) and is the one that sometimes kills dogs who have eaten a few onion rings (that the only one I can remember offhand).

If, however, the diarrhea doesn't clear up soon (like in the next 24 hours or so) I'd get her into a vet--sometimes things that show up like diarrhea have nothing to do with feeding but are a coincidental symptom of something else entirely.

robinb

I have a friend who used garlic for flea prevention and her dog had a horrible flea problem. I use either Frontline or Advantix on my dog and cats and have not seen a flea in years. I even used it monthly on my old Lab who made it to over 16, with no problems.

lyngr

Odd. I thought I posted a reply hours ago.


Anyway, we took her to the vet to be safe. He gave her a shot in the leg (Flagyl) and prescribed Metronidazole and a band diet, stay away from raw and garlic.. blah blah blah.

There is no piece of mind like a vet visit but boy do I appreciate the experience and knowledge of this forum.


Thanks dobebug and robinb!

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reddobes

Note: Advantix is toxic to cats (permethrin). Advantage is safe for dogs and cats, but only works on fleas (not ticks)
Frontline plus is safe for both dogs and cats and kills fleas and ticks.
Revolution is also safe for both dogs and cats, kills fleas, protects against heartworm and 1 type of tick, but NOT deer ticks (the kind that carry lyme disease).

dobesanddragons

Glad you took her to the vet. Hope she feels better soon! I would say it was probably both, but more so the garlic.

How long have you fed raw? If your vet is against raw you might want to find a holistic vet or at least a vet that agrees more so with the way you feed and is willing to support you rather than lecture you.

I have always heard for dogs to stay away from garlic, although occasionally on forums someone will claim garlic helps their dogs, I am too worried to try it since I have heard it is toxic. But I do find it in doggie biscuits and some liver formulas for bait.

I homemake dog food (not quite raw) and the batches are fed to dogs of all sizes so I don't even put small amounts of garlic in it since each size of dog can only handle certain amounts and occasionally the cat will get some homemade.

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lyngr

We don't feed raw every day but when we do add it into her diet we usually never have this kind of a problem.

How would I find a holistic vet and are they typically more expensive than the average vet?

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saesms

i do not feed raw food, except for veg and fruits, advantix works good,

eph94

http://www.holisticvetlist.com/

Our holistic vet is actually a tad cheaper than our former allopathic vet.

DLS

Garlic and Onion are POWERFUL medicines. They have been used for centuries, to fight infection, help prevent cancer, expel tapeworms, inhibit protozoan infections, make animals less atractive hosts to parasites and prevent blood clotting. Most animals benefit from the OCCASIONAL addition of garlic/onion to their food.
The incidents of allium poisoning typically invole onion doses exceeding 0.5 percent of the animals body weight. So a healthy 60 lb. dog would have to eat a 5 ounce onion or several cloves of garlic to begin the Heinz-body process. Red blood cells regenerate quickly in healthy animals, so the overdose would have to be repeated frequently to cause harm.
So remember feed only in MODERATION maybe 5 days on and two off.
I have been adding homegrown garlic cloves to my dogs food as a tonic every spring and fall, they love it, I have never had a problem with it. But do ask your Vet for their opinion.