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After neutering care: ProCollar, SoftCollar or E-Collar

I am getting mentally ready to neuter Gino... geezzzzz... that's a hard decision.

I need to buy a collar to prevent him from licking.

Can you please help with my decision? ProCollar, SoftCollar or E-Collar?

I will appreciate your feedback as I have never used any of those before.


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Why is it such a hard decision? Calvin was neutered almost two weeks ago now and it's been great. He was basically recovered the very next day. At the dog park he doesn't fixate on dogs anymore. He plays but doesn't get nearly as intense and when I want him to stop he stops.

He also didn't need any type of collar if you're referring to one that will stop him from messing with his incision. He only went for it a handful of times and he stopped when I told him no.

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Sam had laser surgery with skin bond surgical glue so no stitches. I used a regular e-collar for a few days, mainly at night. He never bothered his boo boo

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Just get him some chews and treats to occupy him and he probably won't even mess with the sutures. A neuter is a really simple surgery and he will recover quickly so don't stress over it too much.
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Dover had laser surgery and was fine without a collar. Wrigley on the other hand had regular surgery. She started trying to lick immediately and was sent home with an e-collar. The e-collar worked, but I thought it look uncomfortable, so I tried the inflatable one. She figured out how to get it off. However, I won't put that past operator error.

I would recommend having an e-collar on hand just in case. There would be nothing more annoying than having to go buy one in the middle of the night when Gino is licking and not sleeping.
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I had a Doberboy with retained testicles. We used my legging to prevent licking and it worked... but Gino is a sucker and he is more sensitive dog.
I may give him bones to make him busy... but it may not stop him from licking.

E-collar is very uncomfortalbe. Did anyone else use procollar?


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Comfy cone would work while he is under supervision. You can't feel sorry for them when you are not there. He could hurt himself badly.
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comfy cones stop at size 20, which is not suitable for a doberman in adult size (to my knowledge,i have never seen them larger).

dogs will adjust to collars - mercury lived in one for three months when he had his external fixator on and his world continued to turn - did he like it at first, no - but if he had ONE SINGLE SECOND to touch that piece of equipment then thousands of dollars worth of machinery and emergency surgery to correct his severed tendon were all for nothing. and as a doberman, he needed a 40 ecollar with another collar put inside to prevent him from being able to reach.

if i had a dollar for every time an owner told me "oh my dog isn't licking" and it really is, id be rich by now, all my loans paid off already, and living the high life. i guarantee you. they are absolutely licking. my own dogs lick, the minute no one is watching.

do you guys want me to post pictures of the two scrotal ablations i just had to take care of this past week (yes, two in two weeks) because of neuters gone bad? because one is directly related to "oh, i kept him quiet and he didn't need the e-collar"... my facebook friends saw the bloody surgical suite post-op.

for a doberman, the blow up collars also wont typically stop them from accessing their body - their necks are too long and they can reach around - i tested them and every single one of my dogs could. in addition, ive seen the collars spontaneously deflate unfortunately. if you attach two together, it may function better for long necked dogs. for brachycephalic breeds they work great. i either recommend a bite not (the firm plastic neck wrap) or a traditional collar for dobermans.


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...for a doberman, the blow up collars also wont typically stop them from accessing their body - their necks are too long and they can reach around - i tested them and every single one of my dogs could. in addition, ive seen the collars spontaneously deflate unfortunately. if you attach two together, it may function better for long necked dogs. for brachycephalic breeds they work great. i either recommend a bite not (the firm plastic neck wrap) or a traditional collar for dobermans.
Kim did you mean E-Collar as traditional collars?

I found Kong E-Collar in the article here:
Comfortable Dog Cone Alternatives - Whole Dog Journal Article

They wrote "the plastic it’s made of is transparent; the dog can see through it! Brilliant! This one tiny thing makes a huge difference to the dog. It’s also much lighter in weight"
Do you have any experience with?


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Tango was neutered recently... no cone, no licking!

I would not reccomend the inflateable collar, tango popped his, shredded it and then tore out his tail stitches making a huge mess of his tail!

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I have had many dogs neutered, never had any issues with the boys over licking. But if you suspect he will do it then I guess a collar will be needed. Only one I ever used was the old E one.

Hope all goes well with the neuter!

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I tried several when Tesla was spayed & found that the Soft-E-Collar by Jorvet to be the best.
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They wrote "the plastic itís made of is transparent; the dog can see through it! Brilliant! This one tiny thing makes a huge difference to the dog. Itís also much lighter in weight"
Do you have any experience with?
Some vet clinic I used along the way had the transparent ones, you should see if your vet uses those. The dog is definitely happier in one of those than the ones they can't see through. I see noticable improvement when I remove the one they come home in and put the clear one on.


Ditto on the inflatables. Useless.
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Where did you get a clear one, Emily?

I read more reviews about Kong E-collars. It sounds like they are too short for Dobermans.


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The one I had for Dillon was pretty clear....opaque I guess:

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How long did it take for Dillon to get used to the cone? How many days did he wear it?
Did he lick a surgical incision?

Gino is much worse licker than Dillon is.. from what I heard from you.


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I should have taken notes but he got used to it pretty quick. I think he only wore it for about 10 days, off and on. Pretty much only when I couldn't watch him. The incision healed pretty quick. Here is a picture from six days after the surgery:

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Where did you get a clear one, Emily?
Vet, can't remember which, but probably the CARE centre. I think that's why Paul has one like it. Opaque really, yes.
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I made my decision to buy BiteNot and ask for Opaque E-Collar from my vet. Fish Creek Hospital has it.

I would make a mistake and buy ProCollar without your help.
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We get dogs back into our clinic too whose owners are astounded that the dog managed to lick/chew and otherwise mangle their nearly healed surgical site post neuter. And of course they then need another surgery to fix the damage they have now done.

I know far too many Dobes who needed either a double e-collar or my solutions is a basket muzzle and an e-collar. None of the other types that I've seen work as well.

And I've used both the clear plastic e-collars and the ones that are translucent with what looks like threads running through them. The clear plastic ones break a lot more easily than the translucent ones--I had one Dobe who was sort of death on e-collars and he broke at least a half dozen of the clear plastic ones before I learned to use that heavy clear 3M tape to reinforce everything.

I don't care how sad and how mistreated the dog looks in an e-collar--it beats having to have another surgery done--where the dog probably would need to have general anesthesia AGAIN and the second time never heals up as fast as the first time. They'll survive it. One of my smarter dogs learned after one day in an e-collar that he could drink water and even eat his dinner with it on. I didn't care how he felt about it--that thing was not coming off until the barbed wire cut on a hind leg healed--there wasn't enough skin left to redo it. And he was a licker and chewer of himself at the best of times. So...too bad dog! We're only going to do this once.
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berlin has scars everywhere from where her incisions have healed so poorly because i was conned enough to not make her wear one for her rah-bite-wounds

the clear plastic with the lines in it is a much harder plastic, so when its bent it just snaps. the opaque ones still fit the best and bend and thats why we use them. dogs adjust and will live. so much of their response are how WE respond to them - just look at how many people are responding to the thought of neuters and wearing e-collars - naturally the dogs are going to be overreacting as well. dobermans especially, being more in tune with their owners. and yes, EVERY doberman is a licker until proven otherwise in my book

the kong collars in my book are hard to fit - we have them too and they dont have any method to attach them tighter than they already come. the other collars have the ability to thread the dogs collar, or what we use is kling, to make a tighter collar so the dog cant get it off - but not so with the kong collars. the soft cones can be bent. bite nots and the traditional collars (either opaque or clear, makes no difference really but the clear do tend to break but we use both) are the only ones i find that really work. ive used them all!


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Post eye surgery, our aged but active cat had to wear a translucent e-collar (looks like the one in pdubois' photo) 24/7 for two weeks. He managed to eat, drink, and maneuver in the litter box just fine. Even managed to jump onto and off of his usual furniture. And play; this cat required his play each and every day.

He had his third eyelid removed and there were no stitches. Cats groom. It's what they do. I did not, for one second, consider it even negotiable to remove the e-collar. And I agree that attitude makes a difference.

After seeing how well the cat fared, my only concern with a dog would be its greater possible ability to remove the e-collar if unattended.

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