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Why do you neuter?

Just wondering why you guys neutered/spayed your dogs? It seems like a big thing in America, but in the UK isnt as publicised and people dont seem too bothered about it.

I think the problems out weigh the advantages.

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Just wondering why you guys neutered/spayed your dogs? It seems like a big thing in America, but in the UK isnt as publicised and people dont seem too bothered about it.

I think the problems out weigh the advantages.
What problems are you talking about? All I see is advantages: health and behavioral.

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Altering your pet is also the socially responsible thing to do. There are many discussions on this topic here on dobermantalk. To see a few of them please follow this link:
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The advantages both behaviorally and health wise are too great to be ignored. As I have lived in both the UK and North America, I can vouch that in North America the vast majority of people are far greater educated when in comes to the health and socialization of their pets. The risks of neutering are so minimal, and it is such minor surgery, a step in the right direction when concerning the over population of shelters, and unwanted/unneeded dogs.
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Theres alot of health risks, including increased risk in cancers and diseases

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I know I didn't want to end up with a surprise pregnancy from Elke, and I would not be able to physically prevent her and a large male dog that was trying to get at her. Now I know I can take her anywhere and not worry about unwanted pregnancy and all its complications, as well as unwanted puppies -- and the vet bills that come with both. Not to mention the responsibility of making sure the puppies found good loving homes.
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Speaking for myself as a multi dog owner, obviously the more that are spayed/neutered, the less I have to separate/rotate for a month twice a year when the female(s) are in season, which is a lousy time for everyone.

Intact Doberman males are notorious for eventually developing prostate problems and then you pretty much have to neuter at a time when they're not in optimal health. Prostate problems are hard to treat, and usually ongoing or recurring if not neutered.

As someone who takes part in obedience, I get a much more attentive worker in the neutered male who isn't spending all of his time sniffing the ground, the air and every girl he might pass. And one who is going to probably do better at trials, again because he's just not that distracted.


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Theres alot of health risks, including increased risk in cancers and diseases
In spaying and neutering? The only one I'm aware of is possible prostate cancer which is a slightly very slightly increase and even then the risk is minimal.

Pyometra is a huge risk and life threatening for females as in mammary cancer. I do see more health benefits to a spay vs a neuter. Although I am pro-neuter also.

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Theres alot of health risks, including increased risk in cancers and diseases
You have it backwards, the risks of cancer and deseases are from NOT spay/neutering.
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Research suggests that Neutering increases the risk of all sorts of cancers, including prostate.


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No i think it is increased, but you may have different views.
Show us some literature/data; I think you're mistaken.

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In spaying and neutering? The only one I'm aware of is possible prostate cancer which is a slightly very slightly increase and even then the risk is minimal.

Pyometra is a huge risk and life threatening for females as in mammary cancer. I do see more health benefits to a spay vs a neuter. Although I am pro-neuter also.
Spaying is for females and neutering is for males, i dont think you get a choice

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According to the US Humane Society approximately 4 MILLION dogs & cats die in shelters every year in the USA. As a rescuer, THAT is why we promote spay/neuter so much here (USA). Unfortunately you cannot expect every owner, or even most owners, to be responsible with their pets.
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According to the US Humane Society approximately 4 MILLION dogs & cats die in shelters every year in the USA. As a rescuer, THAT is why we promote spay/neuter so much here (USA). Unfortunately you cannot expect every owner, or even most owners, to be responsible with their pets.
Yes this is a bonus of the operation. But i think ill keep my dogs nuts.

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Yes this is a bonus of the operation. But i think ill keep my dogs nuts.
Well, if it's for appearances' sake, there's always Neuticles.com!

Personally, I had Elka spayed because 1. I didn't want to deal with heats, 2. I didn't feel financially and educationally able to be a breeder, 3. I was happy with the statistical chances that her chances of mammary cancer (and obviously uterine cancer) were reduced. She was uncomfortable for several days after the spay (Certainly more than when she got her ears cropped, or when she broke her toe), but I feel the long term benefits outweigh that period of time. Also, I've considered having a hysterectomy myself, to be done with the bother of all that. I may or may not have "just one litter".
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Well, if it's for appearances' sake, there's always Neuticles.com!

Personally, I had Elka spayed because 1. I didn't want to deal with heats, 2. I didn't feel financially and educationally able to be a breeder, 3. I was happy with the statistical chances that her chances of mammary cancer (and obviously uterine cancer) were reduced. She was uncomfortable for several days after the spay (Certainly more than when she got her ears cropped, or when she broke her toe), but I feel the long term benefits outweigh that period of time. Also, I've considered having a hysterectomy myself, to be done with the bother of all that. I may or may not have "just one litter".
Well its to do with health, also i wouldnt want to take away his pride

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Well its to do with health, also i wouldnt want to take away his pride
I've never met a dog that was proud of his balls before.
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I've never met a dog that was proud of his balls before.
What male would feel like a male without one of the things that define him.

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Just a wild guess that you are a male. I've yet to meet a woman who feels her female would lose her "femininity" by spaying, but I meet lots of guys who think their dog would lose his "manliness" by neutering. I don't get that, but maybe that's because I'm a woman....Venus & Mars and all that.

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Research suggests that Neutering increases the risk of all sorts of cancers, including prostate.
One of the absolute biggest reasons to neuter a male doberman is to help avoid male aggression. Un-neutered males especially will many times not be tolerant of other males. This, is a real, significant risk, more so than the odds of getting a disease or sickness. Your dogs health means zero if you can't take him outside because he goes nuts around other male dogs. What also needs to be taken into consideration is the initial odds of getting a certain disease. Let me make up #'s as an example. If .02 percent of intact dogs have a chance of developing a certain disease, while a report that says a dog is 5 times more likely to get it, the risk is still very insignificant. But, saying the risk is 5 times more likely, without giving anything to back that up doesn't really tell us anything, but it does sound scary. Who would write such an article? Anti-neuter/spay groups.

My main concern would be behaviors and temperent issues that come along with an intact male, accidental breedings, territorial behavior, and aggression issues with other dogs. These are real issues that have a serious chance of happening with an intact male doberman, and I think these issues outweigh any possible risk of illness.
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What male would feel like a male without one of the things that define him.
You're thinking that male dogs think they same way human males do about their balls. I've never had a female dog before, but all of my males haven't missed their sacks. Ever.

Have you ever seen a dog missing a leg before? It doesn't sit around feeling sorry for itself because it doesn't have all its limbs. They move on.
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Just a wild guess that you are a male. I've yet to meet a woman who feels her female would lose her "femininity" by spaying, but I meet lots of guys who think their dog would lose his "manliness" by neutering. I don't get that, but maybe that's because I'm a woman....Venus & Mars and all that.
There is that change in personality, but im sure thats mainly down to less testosterone.

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It also minimizes the instances of inexperienced breeders who aren't bettering the breed. I've known a few people that had dogs get preggers and raised/sold the puppies and just kinda stuck with it to make a few bucks. I know I don't have the knowledge or experience to select a good match in a male dog for my girls and breed the right way so I stay out of it. Not everyone thinks that way, they just figure boy + girl = healthy, cute puppies. I guess that goes along with what everyone's saying about reducing medical problems. My family had a dalmatian growing up and my parents decided to breed her. They went through a few males before picking the right one, but they still probably didn't know what they were doing. I was young and I could be wrong but looking back, the puppies probably weren't the best they could have been. I only hope their families kept them and loved them until the end.

Even if I felt qualified to begin a breeding program, which I don't, my dogs just wouldn't be strong candidates for responsible breeding. Isis is a fawn and while it's a recognized color and doesn't always come with skin problems, there is a risk and I couldn't bring myself to knowingly pass that issue onto new babies. Juno's father was albino/white and her mom was a blue so same problem- she could pass on even worse medical problems. I just couldn't live with myself. Not everyone can love and care for these special dobies even with their health problems and most would end up in shelters. I'm doing my part in population control!!



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You're thinking that male dogs think they same way human males do about their balls. I've never had a female dog before, but all of males haven't missed their sacks. Ever.

Have you ever seen a dog missing a leg before? It doesn't sit around feeling sorry for itself because it doesn't have all its limbs. They move on.
i suppose you have asked these dogs how they feel about it?

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