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Old 02-22-2011, 10:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Royal Canin Urinary SO???

Does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement or substitute for Royal Canin urinary SO food?
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:58 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Can you tell us what problems have been diagnosed with your dog?
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:08 AM   #3 (permalink)
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It's a looong story. Rocky has always been "special" when it comes to health concerns. (He's a rescue pup)

A few months ago, Rocky's pee started to pee blood, so we took him to the vet. They did a urinary analysis and an ultrasound, where they found stones in his bladder. The vet told us it was struvite crystals and put him on the Urinary SO diet. Fast forward a few months (and I don't know if it's related or not) Rocky starts vomiting after every meal. His vomit is basically the kibble undigested. But he's still his normal active and playful self. One day, however, the vomit becomes bloody and nothing he eats/drinks stays down, so we took him back to the vet. They ran a full blood panel and said his protein levels were really low, elevated liver enzymes, and low but still normal pcv count. But while waiting at the vet, he started to get pretty lethargic and mopy, so they told us to leave him overnight. Overnight, he really crashed. He had diarrhea, which was all blood. Because of his vwd and dangerously low pcv, they gave him a plasma transfusion and 2 blood transfusions. That was a week and a half ago, and now, he seems like his old self again. We've been feeding him boiled chicken and rice, but don't know if we should start him on the urinary so again or not. I just have a feeling that it might have caused all the problems????

O, and i should also mention that this is the 3rd time he's had to have transfusions, and he's not even 3 years old yet. Please don't jump on me, but as much as I would love to do anything and everything for him, I don't think we will be okay-ing another transfusion if anything like this happens again.

Any help/input/advice is appreciated.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:38 AM   #4 (permalink)
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The alternative stone diet is the Hill's crap that I directly attribute to our dog developing pancreatitis within two weeks of starting her on it. The Hill's stone diet is 22% fat; easily twice that of her normal food. I'd be extremely reluctant to try it on a dog that is already exhibiting signs of dietary intolerance.

Not sure that's very helpful. Our dog did fine on the Royal Canin SO.

Oh, and the Hill's clearly states it is not appropriate as a regular food. The Royal Canin SO, at least according to the packaging, meets regular dietary standards.

I, too, will be very interested if others have ideas for bladder stone dissolving diet(s).
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Have you looked into a raw diet? The protein is so easily digested. My chihuahua, who had an acute hepatitis and went almost into liver failure two years ago has been thriving on it. I started out with meat/oatmeal and quickly advanced to a full raw diet. Also, to support the liver, I would give milk thistle, SAM-E, and vitamin E. You can find all of these at the health food store.
After looking at the crap in the prescription diets, I decided I could do better. Since my dog's ammonia was not high and his albumin was low he was fine to eat plenty of protein. If the ammonia is high from liver failure oatmeal can be used to absorb it.
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:21 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Diet To Dissolve Bladder Stones

The OP has inquired about a suitable dietary substitute for a prescription food product specifically designed to dissolve bladder stones.

I was going to suggest surgery, but it appears the dog is vWD affected and does bleed, so I am figuring that greatly reduces the potential for the condition to be surgically corrected, unfortunately.
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The sad thing is that while there is a lot of dietary information out there for this condition, you want to be sure it is in the best interest of your dog.

Most of the vets I know seem to stand by their cruddy dog food and don't want to go any further than that.

I guess if it was me, I'd be doing some research and plenty of it, maybe talking with a holistic vet or two.
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I did consider feeding raw, but I don't think that will get rid of the bladder stones. Will it?

Nothing is ever clear cut for Rocky. Everyone at the hospital knows him and his history. Surgery is definitely out of the question for him as it is too risky. With the 5 attempted tranfusions he's already had, he even had a reaction to a couple of the transfusions.

I guess urinary so is the only option we have for now. I am staying away from the Hill stuff for sure. Maybe we will just add some boiled chicken to the kibble.
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It's a tough spot to be in.....good luck and best wishes for Rocky. Keep us updated, k?

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The sad thing is that while there is a lot of dietary information out there for this condition, you want to be sure it is in the best interest of your dog.

Most of the vets I know seem to stand by their cruddy dog food and don't want to go any further than that.

I guess if it was me, I'd be doing some research and plenty of it, maybe talking with a holistic vet or two.
Amen to this.
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