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Old 12-27-2010, 08:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bloated/not pooping

Hank has advanced lung cancer per thread here
Hank has lung cancer

He is on 20mg Prednisone twice a day, has been on it since the 12th.
Well in the last few days we have noticed he is VERY bloated, doesnt seem to be having bowl movements. He eats a good amount and is deff drinking a lot of water/pissing a lot.
We are worried about the being bloated/not pooping. My vet is closed and I will call in the morning, but wondering if I should give him anything now.

Hes eating some orijen dry food mixed with mostly wet food/yogurt/turkey hot dogs. Hes also on a list of herb medicines including mushroom complex (which I would think would help with the pooping)


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Old 12-27-2010, 09:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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We are thinking the meds are causing Cushing's Disease because he has all the symptoms of it, except hair loss

•Pot bellied appearance
•Excess panting
•Weight Gain
•Thinning of skin
•Increase in the appetite
•Weakness in muscle
•Lethargy
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We are thinking the meds are causing Cushing's Disease because he has all the symptoms of it, except hair loss

•Pot bellied appearance
•Excess panting
•Weight Gain
•Thinning of skin
•Increase in the appetite
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•Lethargy
Pred will cause many of those symptoms also. Is there a vet you are working with now that has an after hours number you can call? I wouldn't panic, but I would call about it. My Vizsla was on pred for 14 months for lymphoma and had most of those symptoms, except lethary, but had no stool problems. She also ate well the entire time and had a normal energy level which probably helped keep her pottying.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Pred will cause many of those symptoms also. Is there a vet you are working with now that has an after hours number you can call? I wouldn't panic, but I would call about it. My Vizsla was on pred for 14 months for lymphoma and had most of those symptoms, except lethary, but had no stool problems. She also ate well the entire time and had a normal energy level which probably helped keep her pottying.
No, the vet we are working with closed at 6. Im not too worried about it, I just feel bad for him because he cant be comfortable. Im just wondering if I should give him canned pumpkin or anything or just do nothing.
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Fluid in the belly can be a sign of heart trouble or of liver difficulties. It's possible his heart is having to work harder to deal with his lungs not working like they should.
I hope the night goes smoothly for you guys--I know it will seem too long til your vet's back in. We'll be thinking of you guys.
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I give all natural pumpkin 3 times per week. helps to keep the factory working good. I would still try and get him to his vet. It's no picnic when you can't go
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:33 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I will call the vet in the morning. I am just worried that the time is getting close to put him to sleep. If his insides are going, it wont be much longer.
Hopefully he just has some gas, constipated. Hopefully.
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Is the mushroom complex something that is all right for dogs? What are the ingredients in that herbal complex?
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Is the mushroom complex something that is all right for dogs? What are the ingredients in that herbal complex?
hes on Vit E, Vit C, Flaxseed oil, Echinacea, Astralagus, Milk Thistle, Cats Claw, Green Tea.
The Mushroom complex is Maitake, Reishi, Shitake.
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just pooped. but still bloated
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Is Hank on any narcotics, for pain?
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Is Hank on any narcotics, for pain?
no hes only on the prednisone. well give him baby asprin if he starts limping pretty bad but hes usually happy, walking around, just tired a lot.
He seems to feel a little better now that hes pooped.
hes begging at the kitchen table right now.

he actually doesnt pant, i forgot to delete that out of the symptoms.
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no hes only on the prednisone. well give him baby asprin if he starts limping pretty bad but hes usually happy, walking around, just tired a lot.
He seems to feel a little better now that hes pooped.
hes begging at the kitchen table right now.

he actually doesnt pant, i forgot to delete that out of the symptoms.

Okay, was just wondering, due to the GI side effects narcotics can have.

I wish there were ways to fix things like this bastard cancer. What a good boy he is.
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Okay, was just wondering, due to the GI side effects narcotics can have.

I wish there were ways to fix things like this bastard cancer. What a good boy he is.
My poor little cancer dog, begging for some pumpkin pie
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Perhaps a different pain management? Not telling you what to do...only that there are so many different types of pain management options out there.

With Winston's cancer and pain management, I had him on apo-keto-e and tramadol and metacam at different stages. I don't remember him having any bloating etc. With Spencer's he started on prednisone and didn't so much have the bloating but moreso the frequent urination.
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ok, i typically hold off on posting anything because many posters do not give good advice and the good advice gets lost -
DO NOT GIVE YOUR DOG ASPIRIN, METACAM, or ANY OTHER NSAID while the dog is on prednisone. this will be the perfect storm for a bleeding GI ulcer or worse.


he needs to go see the vet today, good luck.
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Yes definitely always consult with your vet before making any changes. More than likely you would need a Rx to be able to access any painkillers etc.

My post indicated a 'different pain management'. NOT in conjunction with the prednisone already being administered.

If you're taking Hank to the vet today, I really hope things go well. Poor little guy....cancer takes too many of our beloved Dobermans.
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no hes only on the prednisone. well give him baby asprin if he starts limping pretty bad but hes usually happy, walking around, just tired a lot.
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Did your vet approve this? NSAIDS and pred are a NO NO NO NO normally. Aspirin is an NSAID. If your vet approved, it, then feel free to ignore me It is something my oncologist and Flirt's neurologist were very very insistent about.
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