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Old 09-20-2010, 07:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Has anyone used this on their Dobe before?
A friend of ours is a DVM in another state. He and his family stayed with us no long ago and had a chance to meet our Kaiser. He said this is something I should consider.
Kaiser is a 3yr old male who came to live with us 9 months ago. He really is a lovely boy but has some very nervous/OCD like tendencies. We have only been able to reach a certain point with training with him because of these tendencies. We have figured out some things which can trigger him but some are just a mystery. Most of his nervousness involves walking-laps and laps and laps and unable to come back to a relax state easily. Its like a record that is skipping, he just keep repeating the same action over and over and over (even nose pokes which I know are common can get repeating excessively).
I have not spoken with my vet yet. I would like to know if anyone else has had a dog with similar problems and if they found this is be part of the solultion. TIA
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Old 09-20-2010, 08:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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these types of meds can help dogs, but you also need to work on behavior modification. In other words, they are not magical cures. Some dogs have such anxiety that they can't even concentrate to learn new behaviors. Meds can help take that edge off so the dog can be successful.
It can take up to 4-6 weeks to see the full effect of anxiety meds. Every dog is different, so which med, if any, helps really varies from dog to dog.

Often times the owners inadvertently reinforce the unwanted behaviors, so that's another thing that needs to be addressed. In dogs that have anxiety, people often try to comfort them which only reinforces the behavior, or may punish (scolding, etc.) the behavior which often only makes the anxiety worse.

Keep in mind the longer a behavior is going on, the longer it can take to "undo" or redirect.

Again medications can work when used in conjunction with behavior modification. Recommend checking bloodwork prior to starting any meds to rule out any underlying medical issues and have a baseline. Bloodwork should be periodically monitored to rule out any ill side effects on the liver/kidneys.

The other thing I would recommend is getting him into an obedience class - it can really help build their confidence, provide mental stimulation and redirect behaviors.
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I would suggest you have his thyroid levels checked, many odd behavioral and temperment issues can be caused by a low thyroid.
He could just be one of those go, go, go type too.
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Reddobes you have basically said everything our friend Vet has said, in order for this to work we have to continue his behavior modification. He has come a long way already but there are just a few things we are unable to even get a toe hold on.
DSL I will take up the thyroid test as well with our vet. Kaiser is very trim- I thought dogs who have a thyroid issue show it with bad coats and too much weight? Maybe I am just thinking what happens with horses happens to dogs as well?
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Many dogs with hypothyroidism do not gain weight.
Signs can really vary - decreased energy levels, skin/coat changes, muscle wasting (esp. on the head), weight gain, etc. Some dogs will only exhibit one sign.

I would have a chem panel done and at least a baseline T4 (a baseline T4 is very good at ruling OUT hypothyroidism. If the T4 is low, however, you will need further tests to verify he is indeed hypothyroid - TSH, Free T4).
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Very few of the hypothyroid dogs I've owned ever had any noticeable outward symptoms. After having them on thyroid supplementation you *could* see a difference with hindsight-they were livelier, "brighter" in demeanor. IOW-the symptoms of hypothyroidism can be extremely subtle.
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....muscle wasting (esp. on the head)....
What do you mean by that?? I'm wondering if that refers to wasting cheek muscles? And picturing a dobe that has hollows under his eyes and cheeks--sort of knobbly/bony looking face.
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"dobes with a "thickening" or droopiness to their throat region, and dobes with scabs and scales on the margins of their ears often test hypothyroid" J.V., DVM

We think only the 'classic' symptoms of low thyroid is evidence of an issue, not so, some low thyroid dogs are thin, not fat, some have tons of energy, others are 'sluggish', some have normal coats and no hair loss, others have thin, dry coats, some seek heat, others don't.

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I used reconcile on my GSD and it worked GREAT! He needed his little system reset. He had a bad case of seperation anxiety, he would break out of the kennels at the vets, chew everything up that was mine, being out of control while I was gone. So we put him on an 8 week course with some training to go with. No more problems and that was 3 years ago.

We decided to use it on it because training alone wasnt working and I cant have a 115 lb dog with me all the time. He would disagree.
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What do you mean by that?? I'm wondering if that refers to wasting cheek muscles? And picturing a dobe that has hollows under his eyes and cheeks--sort of knobbly/bony looking face.
Dogs often get what's called a "tragic expression"
Muscles on the top of the head, cheeks can atrophy causing the head to look more bony. The skin can get thicker/droopy causing the dog to have a "sad" look.

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My old girl (avatar pic) her main sign of hypothyroidism was in her face. Once she was on supplement, I could tell that her energy level had also been affected, but these changes are often subtle, occur over months and happen in middle age, so many people don't really notice the extent of them (or attribute it to them aging).
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