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Old 06-15-2010, 10:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question I NEED TO KNOW..What really is the best dry dog food for my Doberman

If anyone knows the best for my dobe please let me know. I want to start buying dog food from a local pet store versus getting it from the breeder who makes there own food.
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Old 06-15-2010, 10:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well there's nothing wrong with getting homemade food from the breeder as long as you know it's packed with nutrients!

If you are looking for quality kibble:

Wellness is great - kind of pricey though. 30 pound bag is around $79 CDN.
Blue Buffalo is often overlooked but great quality as well. 30 pound bag is around $65 CDN.
Chicken Soup for the Pet Lover's Soul is a great kibble as well (not a lot of people are familiar with it yet). 35 pound bag is around $59 CDN.

Google them if you want to compare ingredients, etc.
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We are really liking Acana Pacifica. It is grain free, and Bella looks great and her coat is shiny.
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My dog does well on Orijen 6 Fresh Fish. He loves it!

There are several excellent kibbles out there... you may need to try a few before you find what works well for your dog.
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Research Innova's Large Breed Puppy Food
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Just a word of caution - I have read on hear that several people had problems with Chicken soup for the soul - Might do a search - but it caused lots of runny poo.

It is also very important especially on a puppy to transition very slowly. First week no more than 25% of the new food. Even 2 weeks is good. Then you can go 50/50 mix for a week then 75 - 25 and slowly phase out the old food.
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It also depends on the dog too what may work for one dog may not work well for another sometimes you have to experiment each time if you decide to change do it slow.
You can also go to Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble to get more information on dog foods goes with a star rating but it still all boils down to what works for your dog.Good Luck
I feed Taste of the Wild grain free works for us.
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If anyone knows the best for my dobe please let me know. I want to start buying dog food from a local pet store versus getting it from the breeder who makes there own food.
I'd be asking your breeder that question. If your breeder is making their own food then I'd presume it's raw. If you have a problem feeding raw then work with them in coming up with a good kibble. There are some of the higher end kibbles out there that are a very healthy diet.
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Just to throw another idea in - I have just switched Murphy onto Arden Grange after a great deal of research he's on Large Puppy Junior & has 1lb ex-frozen raw tripe/daily mixed in over 3 meals - he looks great on it and his coat is like glass!
Good luck with whatever you choose, it's a minefield!
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Another vote for Orijen/Acana. My boy has been on Acana Wild Prairie since he was 4 months old. Good solid poops. Stools were a little looser on the Orijen due to the higher protein but every dog will tolerate it differently.
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As you can see there isn't "one" right kibble for every dog. It is important to keep ongoing communication with yoru breeder so if your breeder is recommending something in particular and you are opposed, have a discussion about it.

With Dobe puppies I would keep protein to 25-26% and CA/Ph ratios appropriate. I used Innova Adult green bag for my Dobe. I used NV Chicken and Rice and some raw for my Vizsla puppy recently.
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I use Solid Gold "Barking at the Moon" with my two now, but I wouldn't recommend it for a puppy because the protein in it is so high. Is price an issue at all? Innova is a very good food but were recently bought out, so we aren't sure if the formula will change or not. Orijen is excellent as well. I also tried Taste of the Wild, but one of my dogs did wonderfully on it and the other didn't. I have heard that the Kirkland brand chicken and rice food from Costco is a decent food at a cheaper price. Not as good as the Orijen and Innova, but if price is an issue it may be something to look into.
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Just a word of caution - I have read on hear that several people had problems with Chicken soup for the soul - Might do a search - but it caused lots of runny poo.

It is also very important especially on a puppy to transition very slowly. First week no more than 25% of the new food. Even 2 weeks is good. Then you can go 50/50 mix for a week then 75 - 25 and slowly phase out the old food.
My girl was on Nutro when I got her and she had soft stools, went on to Canadie then Chicken soup, all gave her soft poo . She is now on Taste of the wild bison, grain free and SOLID POOP ! Yeah !!!!!!!!!!

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My girl was on Nutro when I got her and she had soft stools, went on to Canadie then Chicken soup, all gave her soft poo . She is now on Taste of the wild bison, grain free and SOLID POOP ! Yeah !!!!!!!!!!

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I can relate! Indy has always had a problem with runny or soft poops. We tried Solid Gold, Wellness Super 5 Mix chicken and Wellness fish and sweet potato. We recently switched to TOTW bison and venison. He is also doing great on it and finally has solid poops!

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Another vote for Orijen/Acana. The manager of the pet supply store that I use said she gets nothing but positive feedback on the two foods. They carry many premium/super premium brands and she rates these among the very best.
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There is no best food for a Doberman -- every dog does best on a different food. Both of my dogs eat Acana, and I love the brand. It's my most favourite kibble out there based on experiences with my own dogs. I'd definitely recommened somebody to try it out and see how their dog does on one of their formulas.

Mine all eat different Acana formulas, as they all do best on something different. Keira gets Acana Pacifica (grain free), and Ripley gets Acana Sport & Agility. Dance, my Toller, gets Acana Grasslands (grain free). All of my dogs also get luke warm water on their kibble as well.
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There is no best food for a Doberman -- every dog does best on a different food. Both of my dogs eat Acana, and I love the brand. It's my most favourite kibble out there based on experiences with my own dogs. I'd definitely recommened somebody to try it out and see how their dog does on one of their formulas.

Mine all eat different Acana formulas, as they all do best on something different. Keira gets Acana Pacifica (grain free), and Ripley gets Acana Sport & Agility. Dance, my Toller, gets Acana Grasslands (grain free). All of my dogs also get luke warm water on their kibble as well.
i so agree, it don't means when one dog does well on one food, that another does the same. i was feeding Taste of the wild and Apollo had permanently soft poop, we tried a few other high foods out, same thing, now he gets eukanuba with probiotics and does perfect on it. Not always the grain free expensive food is the best choice, you just have to try and see what works best for you.

and i'm always surprised that so many people feed large puppy food, Dobermans are not a large dog breed, they are medium size dogs
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There is no best food for a Doberman -- every dog does best on a different food. Both of my dogs eat Acana, and I love the brand. It's my most favourite kibble out there based on experiences with my own dogs. I'd definitely recommened somebody to try it out and see how their dog does on one of their formulas.

Mine all eat different Acana formulas, as they all do best on something different. Keira gets Acana Pacifica (grain free), and Ripley gets Acana Sport & Agility. Dance, my Toller, gets Acana Grasslands (grain free). All of my dogs also get luke warm water on their kibble as well.
a few questions?
1. what is the difference from Oirgen and Acana?
2. I see the stuff on both..are they the same company and what is the BEST in Acana that is for large breed? I really like the reviews on Acana..but cant find anything on Origen.
3. Why luke warm water with it?
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a few questions?
1. what is the difference from Oirgen and Acana?
2. I see the stuff on both..are they the same company and what is the BEST in Acana that is for large breed? I really like the reviews on Acana..but cant find anything on Origen.
3. Why luke warm water with it?
Acana and Orijen are both made by the same company, Champion Pet Foods. Orijen has a much higher protein content than Acana and comes in three Grain Free formulas, and while a fantastic food, some dogs find it too rich. A lot of people are not comfortable feeding such a high protein content as is present in Orijen either. I don't feel it's the right food for most pet dogs out there, but I do feel that it is a great choice for an energetic sport (Agility, Flyball, etc.) or working dog. Acana has two separate sort of lines. They have their formulas that include some grain (Adult, Senior, Lamb & Apple, Sport & Agility, etc.), and then they have three products that they call Acana Provincials, which are all Grain Free but with a lower protein content than Orijen (they are: Pacifica, Grasslands, & Wild Prairie).

I don't really consider a Doberman to be a large breed, and I believe based on what I've seen and heard from other Doberman owners I know, that a Large Breed food is not the best. Dobermans generally do best on a regular adult or All Life Stages food (which is what Acana is essentially, aside from the one or two puppy formulas they have). I'm not sure there is a formula which would be best for most Dobermans. Like I said, both of my Dobermans eat two different Acana formulas. Ripley gets the Sport & Agility because he has a hard time maintaining weight and this formula has extra calories. He is also on it because he does not do well on Acana's grain free formulas. Keira is on Pacifica because she didn't do well on any product that contains grains, and fish seems to be the easiest protein source for her to digest. My dogs have sensitive systems though.

In general, if you're going to try Acana, I'd say that either regular Acana Adult (not grain free), Acana Provincials Grasslands (lamb based), or Acana Provincials Wild Prairie (chicken based) would be your best bet. And if the dog does not do well on any of those, then you can try the Acana Provincials Pacifica (fish based) or maybe another of their formulas. Or move on to something completely different, as a brand that works wonders for me may not work so well for (general) you. All of Champion Pet Food's products are made with the same care and quality, so you can't go wrong really with any of their formulas as long as your dog does well on them. I myself prefer the Provincials/grain free line, but not all dogs do well on a grain free diet (like my Ripley, which is why he's eating Sport & Agility -- which is essentially pretty much the same as Acana Adult, except with more calories).

My experience with Orijen was not the best. It was way too rich for the dogs I tried on it. Dance would get explosive diarrhea every few days, as it was just too much for her body to handle, and Keira didn't have one solid stool the whole time she ate Orijen. That's not to say it's a bad food at all, but it certainly didn't work for my dogs. Like I said way above, Orijen is generally a really good food for a really active sport/working dog. Acana was the best choice for me and my crew.

And I put water in because I feel that it helps my dogs digest their meals better. Past dogs used to have to drink a ton of water at the end of their meals, and my current dogs do not. They're also better hydrated than my previous dogs, and do not need to drink as much during the day (except for when they've had hard exercise of course). Putting water in their food was recommended to me by my Doberman breeder 5 years ago, and at first I thought that was strange, but now feel that it is healthier for my dogs.

Sorry for so much information! Sometimes I get carried away. I hope it makes sense and will be of some help, though.
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Acana and Orijen are both made by the same company, Champion Pet Foods. Orijen has a much higher protein content than Acana and comes in three Grain Free formulas, and while a fantastic food, some dogs find it too rich. A lot of people are not comfortable feeding such a high protein content as is present in Orijen either. I don't feel it's the right food for most pet dogs out there, but I do feel that it is a great choice for an energetic sport (Agility, Flyball, etc.) or working dog. Acana has two separate sort of lines. They have their formulas that include some grain (Adult, Senior, Lamb & Apple, Sport & Agility, etc.), and then they have three products that they call Acana Provincials, which are all Grain Free but with a lower protein content than Orijen (they are: Pacifica, Grasslands, & Wild Prairie).

I don't really consider a Doberman to be a large breed, and I believe based on what I've seen and heard from other Doberman owners I know, that a Large Breed food is not the best. Dobermans generally do best on a regular adult or All Life Stages food (which is what Acana is essentially, aside from the one or two puppy formulas they have). I'm not sure there is a formula which would be best for most Dobermans. Like I said, both of my Dobermans eat two different Acana formulas. Ripley gets the Sport & Agility because he has a hard time maintaining weight and this formula has extra calories. He is also on it because he does not do well on Acana's grain free formulas. Keira is on Pacifica because she didn't do well on any product that contains grains, and fish seems to be the easiest protein source for her to digest. My dogs have sensitive systems though.

In general, if you're going to try Acana, I'd say that either regular Acana Adult (not grain free), Acana Provincials Grasslands (lamb based), or Acana Provincials Wild Prairie (chicken based) would be your best bet. And if the dog does not do well on any of those, then you can try the Acana Provincials Pacifica (fish based) or maybe another of their formulas. Or move on to something completely different, as a brand that works wonders for me may not work so well for (general) you. All of Champion Pet Food's products are made with the same care and quality, so you can't go wrong really with any of their formulas as long as your dog does well on them. I myself prefer the Provincials/grain free line, but not all dogs do well on a grain free diet (like my Ripley, which is why he's eating Sport & Agility -- which is essentially pretty much the same as Acana Adult, except with more calories).

My experience with Orijen was not the best. It was way too rich for the dogs I tried on it. Dance would get explosive diarrhea every few days, as it was just too much for her body to handle, and Keira didn't have one solid stool the whole time she ate Orijen. That's not to say it's a bad food at all, but it certainly didn't work for my dogs. Like I said way above, Orijen is generally a really good food for a really active sport/working dog. Acana was the best choice for me and my crew.

And I put water in because I feel that it helps my dogs digest their meals better. Past dogs used to have to drink a ton of water at the end of their meals, and my current dogs do not. They're also better hydrated than my previous dogs, and do not need to drink as much during the day (except for when they've had hard exercise of course). Putting water in their food was recommended to me by my Doberman breeder 5 years ago, and at first I thought that was strange, but now feel that it is healthier for my dogs.

Sorry for so much information! Sometimes I get carried away. I hope it makes sense and will be of some help, though.
thanks for the information.
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Has anyone ever tried the Natures Variety Prairie or Instinct Dog food?
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There is no specific answer the OP's question. What is great for one dobe might cause loose stool for the next. The best thing you can do is research and try what you like and is available to you in your area. The link posted by ldr104 below is the best I have found for researching.

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Has anyone ever tried the Natures Variety Prairie or Instinct Dog food?
Yes. I fed instinct when one of my Vizslas had cancer and I wanted to go grain free. It turned her poop dark green, but she was healthy just with green poop.

I've used NV Chicken and Rice but it's not my favorite. My dogs seem to get duller coats on that. Flirt's rust really faded out and got very straw looking on it. If I supplemented with Solid Gold Seameal, the coats were fine. But I ended up switching back to Innova and then raw.
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Consumer Reports recommended that a dog food be tested to meet the AAFCO guidelines. Very few foods are tested and proven to meet the guidelines as recommended by CR. Most dogs foods state they are formulated to meet AAFCO guidelines. Nutura products (Innova, California Natural) and Purina products (Pro Plan) are two that are tested. Wellness is only formulated to meet the AAFCO guidelines. Here is the label from California Natural:

Animal feeding tests using AAFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials) procedures substantiate that California Natural Chicken Meal & Rice Adult Dry Dog Food provides complete and balanced nutrition for all life stages.

Here is the label from Wellness:

Wellness® Super5Mix® Complete Health Dog Food is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) Dog Food Nutrient Profiles for all life stages.

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