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View Poll Results: Does your female dobie suffer from a "leak"?
Yes after she was spayed. Have not tried hormones. 49 32.89%
Yes and the hormones have stopped it. 32 21.48%
Yes and the hormones have NOT stopped it. 8 5.37%
No it was not an issue. 33 22.15%
My female is not spayed. 27 18.12%
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:39 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I really didnt put it together about the raw feeding. I started feeding raw within a month or two of her being spayed. The water intake is so much less with raw feeding. This past winter I was hoping it was gone. But it has returned with summer. When she plays in the hose its the worst! But sometimes we gotta pay to play! She is laying on the side of me on the couch with her "big girl panties on." LOL thats what we call them. I am about to purchase some rubber back rugs for the couches to put under the blankets I keep on them. That was suggested by another member. Can not remember who. But thanks!
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Excessive water drinking and mild incontinence after stomach tack and spay

have a 1 year and 3 month old Dobey. She was spayed and had a stomach tack on May 9th, so a little over a month ago. She rested, ate, and healed very well just fine for about two weeks then she started peeing in the house once a day particularly in the evening time, and when she was distracted with a toy or was trotting over to greet a family member. She would stop what she was doing, squat and unleash a lot of pee (like she had been holding it all day) with no time to really head out the doggy door to pee.
I understand the lack of estrogen levels and sphincter muscle contribution has a lot to do with this.
She peed in the house each day for about 5 days.
So that was a month ago, (she hasn't peed in the house again after those previous 5 days)
Also for the past three weeks she as been drinking water excessively.
Before the spay, she drank more water than our two basset hounds which is normal, but now its ridiculous.
We would take the water away and she would go searching for it in other places like the tray below a plant and such. Currently she still does this, and pees very frequently (which could be a result from her drinking so much water) but she doesn't have a problem holding her bladder when she sleeps at night. Nor does she race out the doggy door right when she wakes up to go pee. There isn't really an urgency.
But when we went hiking the other day through a long stream, she was constantly sipping up water in between running and stopping, and peeing literally every 2 minutes (a small amount each time).
I have a feeling her frequent peeing is from her drinking too much water.
If she doesn't drink water, then she doesn't pee frequently.
I hear that after a stomach tack, dogs tend to drink a lot of water because they are healing and such, but its been over a month and she still drinks a ton.
Her full blood panel before the surgeries was normal,
but i am considering going to the Vet to have a urinary test done now just to be safe.
Fingers crossed!
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:03 AM   #53 (permalink)
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my mix breed tazzy developed this condition . . At around a year old! She does great on proPalin . . She seems to be ok now she is off medication and hasnt had a leak yet. . Lol touch wood. . She was really really bad whilst she sleeps she peed and walked she peed sat down she peed! Now she seems to be much better! But our local animal humane desexed her we rescued her and she was desexed at 7 or 8 weeks and they stuffed her up . . Desexed her too young and did a bad job but she is a perfect dog! Wouldnt trade her for the world! !
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Spay incontinence occurs in around 20% of all spayed bitches, regardless of breed. While it may be more common in doberman bitches, it's definitely not unheard of in bitches from other breeds or mixes. I believe it's due to the urinary sphincter not being as tight as it once was.

There are a variety of different ways it can be controlled. Some can be controlled by giving a grain free diet. Other people have had success giving the bitch cornsilk daily. Even among prescription medications used for treatment, the drugs vary. The most widely used drug is PPA-which is a decongestant (vaso-constrictor). DES (a hormone) is sometimes used, but it doesn't work for all bitches.

I just picked up PPA for my bitch the other day-it was around $50 for a ninety day supply. She gets two tablets daily. I've had one other doberman bitch with spay incontinence, she stayed dry on 1 tablet daily-so that $50 cost was spread out even further.
I am giving one 25 mg Proin every other day and that is working. Once in a while she has break through leaking and I give her one on the "off" day too. We started at higher dosage and reduced until it is managed with the least amount. I always make sure she empties her bladder on a regular basis and especially before bedtime. If it is bad weather she procrastinates and will leak as her bladder fills. So, I make sure she ALWAYS empties the bladder to allieviate that happening.
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We dealt with this big time when Daisy was put on high doses of Lasix (diuretic) for her CHG . . couldn't give PPA becuase of the effect on the heart, and the DES did not work at all . . . we were stumped. Until we found a homeopathic vet, she put together a remedy that works 100% for her; in fact, our regular vet is now ordering it for her incontinent male! think its a mixture of horsetail/cornsilk / something else. it's not cheap, but it works.
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I asked my vet when my girl started leaking if it was due to being spayed he said no he's seen intact bitches leak. He stated it has nothing to do with being spayed its just genetic
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My dog has been doing this once in a while after heavy exercise and i took her to one vet who told me the urine test was fine so it might be because of spaying. BUT I didn't trust this and went to another vet who did the urine test again and found crystals in urine. Those crystals are very dangerous because they can turn into stones and the surgery follows. Doctor gave me a new diet which I have to feed her to reduce the level of very high alkaline (Ph 8.0) level in her. I am so glad I went to another vet without delaying the problem. The leaking might be due to many different problems, acid level, alkaline level, bacteria presence, infection, stones.... you have to go get it checked maybe twice like me.
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I had one female dobe that was incontinent after spaying her. I have had numerous females of different breeds that have never had a problem. Maui isn't spayed yet, and I'm a little nervous about it. I don't want the same thing to happen to her.
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I have had three dobergirls, two were fine, one had incontinence and took DES one tab per week and it controlled it. I am wondering if the laproscopic spaying for my next girl would make any difference? Anyone know about this
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I have had three dobergirls, two were fine, one had incontinence and took DES one tab per week and it controlled it. I am wondering if the laproscopic spaying for my next girl would make any difference? Anyone know about this
Elsie had a laproscopic spay at 6 months old... So far so good! (only been 3 months though!)
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Both of my doberman girls were spayed at about 6 months. The first one, Greta, developed incontinence, Hannah did not. Luck of the draw. : (

For Greta, the vet put her on DES. It worked, stopped the incontinence. At one point we had her down to one pill per week and that worked for a long time, years, then she had a couple of episodes of incontinence, so we upped the dose again. We managed to get her down to one pill every three days and that has been working now for a long time. The vet says we don't want to decrease it anymore because if she becomes incontinent again we may not be able to get it under control with DES and will have to go with less desirable alternatives.

DES is relatively side effect free at the low doses involved in controlling incontinence. At least that's what my vet says and my research confirms this.

I hate having to give my dog a drug, but life is so much better without the incontinence. It was so sad seeing her wake up and looking with surprise at the wet bedding as if to say, "what happened here?!"
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My female started a year ago wetting the bed and areas . I started with one pill of cornsilk 450mg daily. I just started last month going for 2 pills daily and we have no leakage or problems. I lean to the holistic side of treatment.
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My female started a year ago wetting the bed and areas . I started with one pill of cornsilk 450mg daily. I just started last month going for 2 pills daily and we have no leakage or problems. I lean to the holistic side of treatment.
Why did you change to two pills daily last month?
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Interesting poll results... more than 50% females on DT developed incontinence after the spay.

That's the main reason I hold on spaying Asha.
I didn't find it troublesome to own two intact dogs...and we are not planning to have puppies.
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Interesting poll results... more than 50% females on DT developed incontinence after the spay.

That's the main reason I hold on spaying Asha.
I didn't find it troublesome to own two intact dogs...and we are not planning to have puppies.
Hold out forever? My experience has been that bitches spayed late are more likely to develop SI. All of our Dobe bitches spayed ~ 6 months were fine, the ones done at 4-5 developed incontinence almost right away

It's such a double edged sword, leaving bitches intact longer leads to higher chances of mammary cancer... Having a bitch that was spayed old, developed SI AND mammary cancer... It's not fun
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Why did you change to two pills daily last month?
I spoke to my vet and she suggested using 2 and it's solved my problems.
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I responded back in 2010 but saw this thread again. To update, luckily still no issues to date with incontinence. Shannon will be 5 in November and was spayed at 6 months.
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Syd was spayed at age 5 (she did have four litters). It's been almost a year and I have been holding my breath, but no sign of SI.
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I spayed my girl 3 months after her heat cycle at 5 years old with no problems. I heard it's best to spay in between cycles.
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Kiss is no 3 1/2 years old. Kiss was spayed at 6 months. She does have SI. I believe they started her on pills, but don't remember what they were. It seems to be an increasing problem. We already have an appointment for tomorrow at 3pm so I will also bring this up. I have been considering getting those washable diaper things they use for when they are in heat.
Now that I know some of the names of meds mentioned prior I will be listening for them at the vets.
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Old 09-08-2013, 10:53 AM   #71 (permalink)
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Kris is just over 8 months old and in season now. I wanted her to go through at least one season before having her spayed as I want to make sure she is mature. From reading all the previous posts as far as the incontinence is concerned it just sounds like the luck of the draw.

Years ago, I had a Rhodesian Ridgeback that used to leak when she was young but grew out of it. She would lie down and there would be a puddle when she got up. She never was spayed as I was showing her and never did it as an adult.
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My girl is 16 weeks I was planning on having her spayed at 6 or 8 months.
Does anybody know what percentage of spayed doberman females leak ?
Is this more of a Doberman issue? I have many of other breed spayed females and
none of them leaked.
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I spayed Coco when she was 6 months at the advice of her vet before her first heat cycle. She started leaking when she was almost 3. We are lucky because she doesn't leak all the time. When I notice her leaking I gave her cornsilk mixed in with her food for a few days until she dries up. This happens about 2 or 3 times a year so for me it is easily managed. I prefer a more natural remedy as she is fed raw so this is why I use cornsilk. I have read that a grain free diet can also help manage SI so this may also help hers. If I had to use medication I would but for now cornsilk is working for her.
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Scarlet was incontinent when we adopted her at 6 years old. We didn't know much about her history, so I don't know when she was spayed. She would leak continuously, more when asleep, but we had it under control pretty well with Proin.

Kiera is 4 months old now, and so I have tried to find out as much as possible on the topic as well. Most people have advised us not to spay until about 18 months, because it is better for the joints to wait until they are fully grown. She needs the hormones. I discussed this as well as the spay incontinence with out Vet and he advised to spay after 18 months as well. About the spay incontinence, he said to do a laproscopic spay (sp?). The ovaries are removed but not the uterus. He said there was less trauma from the surgery, which might help, and it is my understanding that there are still some hormones that are present when the uterus remains, which may help.
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Here are my experiences with all the girls I've had in the last almost 40 years. Sheltie mix Queeniey was spayed at around 6 months (no heat), and became incontinent at about 11 or 12 years of age, but only in her sleep. ACD mix Spirit was spayed at about 6 months (no heat), and never became incontinent. Dobe mix Gin was spayed at 18 months (in season), and never developed incontinence. Mutt Ilka was spayed at 9 months (no heat), is now three years, and not incontinent. GSD Leo was spayed at around 15 months (one season), and no incontinence yet.
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