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Trimming Nails? Necessary?

I used to trim my dog's nails really often but:

1) She really hates it

2) I've gone too far sometimes and made her bleed, but usually not.



I've tried both a standard dog nail cutter + dremel.


Questions:

1) I assume I should be keeping up with her nails?
2) I've left them grow too much so I will need to take it slow, hopefully not hit the quick?
3) How often should I cut
4) What dremel tool adapter or cutter should I get? I am okay with medium to higher end investment.

5) Should I just go get them cut at a professional place?



Sidenote: dog comes from decent line (cambria)

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Her nails should wear down more naturally. Have her do some jogging on asphalt / a track or walk on concrete and they should stay dull and not grow very much. Also try touching / rubbing / playing with her feet and toes so that that action has some positive to it, it'll help with the hating it, and my dog will actually chew on his nails if I get the toes nice and separated for him, and he knows what hurts / doesn't so there's no need to clip it or worry about catching the vein.
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I have never seen a Doberman that would wear down nails (enough) naturally - most people that say that have dogs with nails that are way too long.

Mine need weekly nail care. I personally prefer a Dremel. You'll need to condition her to whatever tool you choose that it's not a negative thing. It will take time and patience. For now, you may need to take her to a professional. Look for someone who is VERY good with fearful dogs who will make it a positive experience. I would set up regular appointments - at least every 2 weeks. The more often you have them cut or dremeled the more you will be able to get them back. There are lots of threads and resources on how to get nails back.
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Doberman nails are kept very short. They need to be done at least once a week. My preference is to use a dremel and I recently invested in a special curved diamond head that I really like.

As for training the dog to accept nail maintenance the key is positive reinforcement with a firm hand so that they understand that not getting nails groomed is not an option.
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Yes, nails should be done regularly. If left too long, it alters their gait and can cause pain and premature arthritis of the foot, leg, and shoulder joints.

If she is really bad, have her conditioned to use a scratch board. You can google on how to make and use one

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I use a dremel and do my girl's nails once a week. I have never had a dobie that just by walking on asphalt and concrete kept their nails short. Every one of my dogs had nails that would grow I swear overnight. I have to constantly dremel every week. My last girl would fall asleep not with Dax. I can pet her feet, rub her feet do anything to her feet however when that dremel comes out all hell breaks out. I have conditioned her every which you can think of she will not tolerate the dremel. Thank goodness for my husband as he holds her while I do her nails. It's not pretty however I will not have any of my dogs with long nails. It is not healthy.
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For everyone saying once a week, are you just kind of polishing off the end or actually clipping them like human nails? Maybe for adult dogs it's different but his puppy nails are never very long and always seem to have a decent amount of the tips ground flat after he goes out and runs and plays on and off grass / asphalt.
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I used to trim my dog's nails really often but:

1) She really hates it
For me the fact that some of my dogs have really hated having their nails is a big fat so what! They get used to it. I had dogs that didn't really like to retrieve but if we wanted to do Obedience beyond Novice they found out they had to learn that part of the exercises too. And I notice that my friends babies also hated having their nails done but that was a big so what since it was better that them ending up scratching themselves with long, untrmmed nails.

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2) I've gone too far sometimes and made her bleed, but usually not.
Hmm--well, that's sort of "your bad"--and you need to practice more so that you don't do that.

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I've tried both a standard dog nail cutter + dremel.
Either will work but I prefer the dremel. You actually have more control which means less chance of trimming too short and hurting the dog which will make her hate the process even more.

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1) I assume I should be keeping up with her nails?
Yes, you should keep up with them--if you let them grow out too long it takes much more time and labor to get them back to where they should be AND if you keep them up you'll find that a short session once a week will keep them nice and short.

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2) I've left them grow too much so I will need to take it slow, hopefully not hit the quick?
Yes, there isn't any easy way to do that except to start now and vow to never keep putting off nail trims until you realize that the nails are now far too long. The easiest way to not hit quick is to take a little off of each nail (I do one foot at a time making successive passes on the nails taking off just a little with each pass and moving on to the next toe)--you can actually see when you are getting close to quick because there will be a change in the center of the nail of both color and texture.

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3) How often should I cut
I do nails once a week but bear in mind that my dogs all have short nails to start with. When I dog sat for a couple of adult dogs who came with nails far longer than my own dogs ever have I did nails twice a week on one of the dogs and three times a week on the other dog--both of them were with me for over 6 weeks and by the time they went home their nails were show ring short.

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4) What dremel tool adapter or cutter should I get? I am okay with medium to higher end investment.
Huh? Adapter? The dremel I have now is a Dremel 3000--a kit which comes with a variable speed setting (10 rpm choices). I use only sanding belts which slide on to a sanding drum (sanding drums come in either 3/8" or 1/2". I prefer and use 1/2" on all of my dogs)--I buy belts in 60 grit and 120 grit--60x takes off quite a lot of nail material and 120 is slower but gives a finer finish and I use it exclusively on puppies. Mostly I use only 60x on adults.

I DO NOT use grinding stones, or any sort of cutter--cutters take off too much material and it's too easy to hit quick and hurt your dog and grinding stones heat up--hurt if you put too much pressure on a nail or grind on one nail too long.

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5) Should I just go get them cut at a professional place?
Well, that's a decision only you can make--I wouldn't because I can teach a dog to tolerate having nails done better than most of the professionals. And the only way to get good at it and teach your dog to put up with it is to do it yourself (or at least that's my opinion).

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Sidenote: dog comes from decent line (cambria)

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For Apollothedog: I'm with Meadowcat on the business of dogs wearing down their own nails. It worked on my Aussie but not on any Doberman I've ever had. First of all the proper shape of a Dobe foot (very thick with heavy pads and basically round) and the way they move if they have proper movement isn't going to wear a nail down. On an adult dog unless the nails are very long or the dog has a thin/flat foot the tip of the nail doesn't much contact the ground.

Puppies are a different story--and I've had puppies who did wear their own hails down if we were doing a lot of walks on concrete or playing in tennis courts (asphalt). And no--I'm definitely not just polishing nails--if you look at the nails on any of my adult dogs they are ground flat across and usually only a little longer than the hair on the toes--you can see the nail but the nail tip never touches the ground when the dog is moving. If I can hear a tick, tick, tick of a nail on the floor that dog needs a trim--right now.

Aussies--for the record have a foot shape which is longer than it is wide and the set of the nail is a little different (it's actually somewhat between the cat foot of a Dobe and the hare foot of a few breeds.)

And Afghan Hounds have feet and pads which are larger than Dobes in preportion to body size but they are also thick and have heavy pads--a definite requirement for a coursing sight hound. My Afghan didn't keep his nails short on cement either--for much the same reason that Dobes don't--partly foot shape, nail set and partly movement.

Good luck OP--the thing with nails is that you can't cheat--for most Dobes it does take weekly trims to keep that nice short nail--miss a week and it will take three weeks or more to get the nail back to the length most of us want them.
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I used to use the sanding bands like dobebug mentioned, that works well and it is how my breeder taught us to do nails. On the recommendation of several friends I bought a Diamagroove pinnacle. I do find that it makes it easier to shape the nails and it cuts down on dust (you don't get sanding band dust).

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I used to use the sanding bands like dobebug mentioned, that works well and it is how my breeder taught us to do nails. On the recommendation of several friends I bought a Diamagroove pinnacle. I do find that it makes it easier to shape the nails and it cuts down on dust (you don't get sanding band dust).

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Thanks for the link Dobe Mom--interesting device.
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take her to the groomers . it is good for ear cleaning and teeth cleaning anyways . also they can always put the little rubber things on the nails too
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I have to dremel every 3-4 days.

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Ah... Another topic where folks have pretty "dog" matic responses! My experience with our youngest: McCoy is walked daily and frequently on concrete sidewalks. His inner 2 nails on all 4 paws never need trimming. There is nothing to trim. I suppose that if I was more fastidious, I could polish them. On the other hand all the outside nails require a trimming every2 weeks or so. I have a nice Dremel, but I find that a quality by-pass clipper is much easier. Literally 45 seconds for all 8 outer claws. While I always keep a jar of styptic powder available, I can't remember the last time I cut into his quick.

Also... What dobebug said! If I am remiss (we have all tile doors in our house)and hear a "click click" on the floors, it is time for a head slap (me) and also time to get with the program. LOL

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Gee need to give a warning on the Diamagroove pinnacle about had a heart attack on the price. wow
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When you cut the quick, you hurt her and this is why she hates it. Once she knows that you will not hurt her, she should do fine. Try the dremmel and just go from the top and take off just a little bite of nail. Do it every other day until you have the nails down.
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I do SE's every other day, but I want a nice, short, tight nail. I can't stand hearing "tickie, tickie, tickie" on my floors. When I go to training, I just want to slap people that let their dogs nails get long. I dremel.
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