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Concerned about my dogs tummy problems

Hey guys I'm hoping to get some advice for my youngest girl Violet who is a 7mo blue dobie. We put her on grain free food as a puppy because she had frequent runny stool and she seems to be doing well on it but every 1.5-2months she'll have 2-4 days of horrible diarrhea. We've taken her to the vet twice for tests and both times they all came back normal. He said its just nerves and gave us an "anti diarrhea" pill and a probiotic, he said when she starts to have problems to give it to her until she's better. She is not underweight at all, she eats great and is active, very sweet and social. New environments do make her nervous initially; but if we're traveling or taking her somewhere (ex: first day of training) we give her the meds in advance that morning and again that evening; usually that will prevent any tummy problems. When she has these "episodes" you can tell she feels panicked, we have never gotten upset with her because she clearly cant help it. I'm trying to find any commonalities, and here's what I know: it's never happened in the house; generally its on a walk or when we get her out of her crate. She does eat dog poop which I've always assumed is the cause; we've only caught her doing it a few times because we clean up the yard multiple times a day. We tried the pills for her and our older girl for months but it didn't detour her from eating it so we stopped giving it to them. If they're playing outside and I'm not close by she'll try to eat it as soon as her sister goes and there's been times I couldn't stop her in time. Any ideas on how I can help her? My other girl never had these stomach issues so I'm at a loss. She shreds puppy pads so I cant leave those in the crate with her, we've gone through so many beds and towels in her crate because of tummy problems! Any ideas on easy beds to clean? If there's anything I can add to her diet or any tips you have on puppies with these issues please let me know! Do you guys think its really just nerves or would you also be concerned? Thanks for the help!
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Someone else (I can't recall their screen name at the moment, darn it) had a puppy with a similar problem. In their case, it turned out to be some kind of bacterial infection or the like.


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Someone else (I can't recall their screen name at the moment, darn it) had a puppy with a similar problem. In their case, it turned out to be some kind of bacterial infection or the like.
That was my initial worry so we took her to the vet for the second time a month ago for more tests. Wouldn't that show on blood or fecal tests? She's had several blood and stool tests done all came back normal.
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I know it took several trips to the vet before they finally tested for whatever it was the dog had. It was a pretty unusual thing, and not something routinely tested for.


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The symptoms she mentioned do sound an awful lot like what you’re describing, but I don’t think we ever heard back from the OP (Breezie14) to say whether the kind of bacterial overgrowth we talked about was really what was going on (I think she was going to try a diet change (more fiber??)) but I don’t know if she went back to her vet with this info.
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I'm thinking of someone else, I guess. I know that they've been back with an update, and the dog is doing better now that it's been treated for whatever it was.


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The symptoms she mentioned do sound an awful lot like what you?re describing, but I don?t think we ever heard back from the OP (Breezie14) to say whether the kind of bacterial overgrowth we talked about was really what was going on (I think she was going to try a diet change (more fiber??)) but I don?t know if she went back to her vet with this info.
Thanks! There's definitely similarities. Violet's doesnt seem as frequent luckily. If it keeps happening though I'll take her back to the vet and ask them to do more tests specifically looking for bacteria!
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If she hasn't been tested specifically for giardia or coccideia both can cause intermittant bouts of diarrhea and if the vet is only doing fecal floats they may not catch either.

Giardia most often can be identified from first thing in the morning very fresh poop. There are snap tests now for it which are pretty effective as well. It usually takes a complete fecal (they look for organisms under the microscope not just for eggs from a flotation). Giardia also is carried by some dogs who have no symptoms

Poop eaters often pass things like giardia back and forth

Coccidia is most often carried and passed along by birds--they shed the bacteria in thier poop. Dogs sniff or taste the bird droppings and pick up the organisms. Again they can carry it and have no symptoms except for period bouts of diarrhea.

And stress diarrhea unfortunately is caused by stress.

And there are two or three common bacteria that can cause overgrowths in the gut which will end up with dogs who have diarrhea--but that is usually diarrhea which is constant--not intermittant.

Sometimes the only way to stop the poop eating is to either set up a small fenced area in the yard and put one dog at a time in it until that dog poops and you can clean it up then do it again with the second dog. I know it's a big pain in the neck to even think about doing that but poop eating can and often does cause endless problems. Unfortunately puppies learn to do it from older dogs and I have a friend who had 30 years of poop eaters before she lost two very old dogs close together and didn't get a puppy until they were both gone--the puppy never bothered poop not even when she eventually got another dog--neither of them eat poop.

Purina's Forta Flora (a probiotic) for dogs is a very good probiotic if it is something NOT caused by a parasite (bacteria, worm etc). What is the pill the vet gave you to give the dog?

Good luck in tracking down the cause--I suspect that is where you are going to have to start and you need to know exactly what they are testing for and how they are testing.
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She has been tested for giardia but not the other one! This bout lasted for 2 days, we put her on the prescription Metronidazole from her vet and the probiotic. I am going to start her on the probiotic you mentioned thank you for that advice!

I also think the poop eating is the cause from the notes I've been making trying to track any commonalities in her symptoms: she was always left outside with her sister for short periods unsupervised and she could've eaten it in that time. My vet suggested feeding my older girl canned pineapple in very small amounts in her food; he said for dogs who the pill's didnt work pineapple generally does. Supposedly my puppy will be disgusted by the taste and smell; I'm hoping that works! I need to research that first and make sure its healthy for her to consume that, I would assume it is since a vet suggested it but I'll make sure. Thanks so much for the advice ladies! If she has any other episodes after I start the pineapple I'll take her back in and specifically mention the bacterias you guys mentioned and have her tested for those too. I love this site and how helpful everyone is!
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My dogs both always have very firm and consistent stools, but Brinks gets very excited when we go for walks and his nerves cause diarrhea. Even on a short walk he will squirt a couple times, so if your girls is intermittent and is always accompanied by some sort of exciting event/activity it may be nerves. Mine had coccidia (is that spelled right?) and it was very obvious. He is a regular pooper and full of zest, when he started becoming lethargic/depressed like and wasn't hardly pooping at all and when he DID it was absolutely horrible smelling (like far worse than poop usually does!) and extremely runny. Some to the point of a fire hydrant coming out of his bum. He would also struggle trying to go potty. I'm sure there are different levels as to how bad it can be but in our case it was very apparent. Honestly I was happy it was bacterial as it was easily treated with antibiotics, I initially was worried it was an impaction as he is very sneaky and for some reason dirty socks are a coveted "treat".
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