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Bobble-heading? and size questions.

Hello, my 8 month old female dobe Remy has been shaking her head like a bobble head on occasion. It seems to be becoming a bit more frequent and looks like she can't control it. Based on research I did, looks like what is described as "idiopathic head tremors" and common among Dobermans. I was wondering if anyone else experienced this? will she grow out of it? It doesn't seem like there is a specific activity that triggers it, total seems at random. She always looks at me to see if I'm freaking out about it.

Also she is 23.5"... and about 48lbs... I always get remarks at parks and walks "oh she's going to be a tiny Doberman".... "is she a minpin" (which usually enrages me).. she's only 8 months and hasn't came into season yet so I'm hoping she's a late bloomer and will get to normal size. Breeder says she will be 28" and 80lbs like her mom. Just worrying me she's so petite at 8 months... especially seeing this 10lbs a month average growth rate. I'm from Canada, and the breeder was also active in the show ring so i'd assume she's an American Doberman. Over the last month+ she's only put on a couple lbs.
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You can use the DT forum search function and look for Idiopathic Head Tremors or Head Shaking.

Here is a recent excellent thread on subject:

Head shaking?

Our Eva has had head tremors since we adopted her in 2012 at age of 2 y/o. She has grown out of them, now that she's almost 7 y/o, and we rarely see them anymore. Early on, the shaking occurred at least several times/day, usually when Eva put her head on our lap for affection. Treats would snap her out of the shaking.

I realize how disturbing it is when you see Remy experiencing this...
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28” and 80 Lbs is really too large for a female dobe--that height in particular is at the top of the defined male standard for dobes (26--28 inches) Females are supposed to be between 24-26 inches. But show judges don’t necessarily get out a ruler and measure each dobe being shown, so an oversized dog can end up showing decently if the rest of him or her looks good.

But over-sized dobermans are quite prevalent. People see the large ones and think that is the proper size, but according to the standard, it is not. Some folks actually breed for size so they can brag about their huge dobes, but they are supposed to be a medium sized dog. (I used to get remarks about my “minpin” dobe, too, usually with a proud comment about the “Warlock” dobe the person once owned.) Annoying but wrong. I learned to live with that, AND with people crossing to the other side of the street when they saw me coming and commenting about my choice in owning a mean dog. Ignore.

23 1/2” is slightly small for a female, but not by very much. And she’s young yet. I don’t think you have to worry--she should fill out a bit as she gets older.

And with good food and proper exercise, she will grow to the height and weight she is supposed to be--don’t overfeed her hoping she will grow to be bigger. (Not that you say you are feeding extra--but for anyone else reading this thread and wondering.)

Idiopathic tremors are perhaps worrisome for you to see--but I’ve never had a dobe who seemed to be particularly concerned when they experience them. If you can get her to look up toward the ceiling (try a little food baiting, or call her close and get her to look up with a hand motion over the top of her head) the tremors will generally stop--so you can stop them in just a few seconds when you notice them.
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thanks a lot for the replies. Greatly eased my mind. It's unbelievable how many times I've been asked if shes a minpin... even though she's a lot bigger than minpins get. Even other Doberman owners tell me she's going to be "tiny". Thanks again for the replys, definitely helped!
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@ outsider...

"tiny"?

LOL.... At 8 months and 48 lb. your girl will easily end up on the North side of 50 and possibly over 55. I would hardly call that "tiny" for a bitch.

The bottom line is that a decently bred Dobe, given proper veterinary care, nutrition, and exercise will end up where he/she will end up. Period. Our older boy's perfect weight is just under 70 lb. He is definitely what folks refer to as a "fine" dog. IMO, he is gorgeous, even as he approaches his senior years. My youngest sits smack in the middle of "breed standard".... Yet, he constantly get's comments on his size. Both "Wow! Big dog'. and "He seems small... Is he a puppy". Lots of well intentioned folks, but with very little Doberman breed knowledge.

Dobermans, as a breed, mature somewhat late. In a year you will have a better idea of her final size. More importantly, in a year, you will not care less!

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She is not too small, the breed standard is 24"to 26" for bitches. I personally like the smaller bitches. At 8 months, she will still grow a little bit in height, and will fill out quite a bit - I would imagine that she will be right in breed standard.

Anyone who thinks she is a min-pin is totally ignorant about dog breeds - you just need to ignore people like that.
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I can't begin to tell you how many times someone asked me if my girl was a minpin. My girl didn't follow the 10lbs a month rule either. If I remember correctly, she stayed at between 58 and 62 pounds for months. It was probably around her 16 month age where she has topped out at between 70 to 74. I really have to watch her weight as she looks her best at 70. She stands at just over 25 inches tall.

I think people tend to equate size with toughness or whatever you want to call it, but anyone who has been on the other end of my girls Doberman stare and stance are easily intimidated. Lol.

She's a rough and tumble girl that likes to play rough and has tumbled many dogs that outweigh her by 25 pounds or more.

I'm glad my girl is the size she is as I don't want her to have the issues that oversized Doberman can have. She already has a strike against her as she came from a BYB.

Enjoy your girl no matter what size she gets to be. The fact that she is a Doberman is all that matters. Love the breed!

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here is a pic of Remy. I really appreciate all the reply's.
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She is beautiful.

Love seeing standard size Dobes.

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don't have many good pics of her unfortunately
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here is a pic of Remy. I really appreciate all the reply's.


What a pretty girl she is! I love her name, it suits her. Thanks for the photo.

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Well, she certainly does not look like a min-pin!

Also - I forgot to address the head bobbing in my original post. If you can distract her out of the shaking with a treat or two, then I would not worry about it. Idiopathic head tremors in Dobermans is fairly common - it can freak you out when you first see it though!
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people are literally never satisfied. if a dobe doesn't look like it jumped out of the film The Boys From Brazil, people are just going to make comments about how it's too small or too large and it's just annoying. my rescue is oversized, about 105 lbs red guy and people are like nope hes a great dane, because they bred dobermans AND great danes for 300 years and they would know! or oh.. his ears arent clipped thats awesome or theyll be like no. dobermans have upright ears. or as mentioned above, "mmmhmm that there's a Warlock doberman, I had two growing up they attacked everybody in sight." the worst are the awful people who just smash two dogs together and call themselves a breeder who chastise me for neutering him, "waste of good genetics." totally, since he has vWD. anyway. rant over. your girl is beautiful and looks healthy and she will only continue to get more beautiful. Gus was the awkwardest puppy ever at that age, haha. Just wait and see! and eff the people who tell you anything but how amazing she is.

Also, yeah gus does the head bobbing thing too. it's bizarre but it doesnt seem to bother him. I"m following this post because i've never really gotten an answer
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the breed standard reads "a dog of medium size, with a body that is square. Compactly built" Even in the ring there are getting to be fewer Dobermans that fit these words that are at the very beginning of the breed standard. The girl that I show is slightly smaller then those in the ring with her but fits this standard. Many judges pay close attention to her from the moment that she walks into the ring. Don't compare your girl to what you see but compare it to what the breed description says. Then look at the ones who excelled in the ring. The number one Doberman last year "Rip cord" fits the standard very well. Now while some may dislike certain aspects of this fine male, his overall look fits the description. This isn't true of every Doberman in the top 20. Oversize with any breed is seldom good.
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she is so pretty!!!
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I do not have any comments about the head bobbing but she is just so CUTE!
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People are so used to seeing those massive poorly bred Dobermans that standard sized Dobermans look tiny. Every non-Doberman person always asks me if Molly was the runt or something. Nope, she's perfectly within the standard!

She is SO cute! I love her ears! Molly has this same problem, it's called Idiopathic Head Tremors. She'll stop if I distract her with a treat, but she only does it once every few months for a few minutes. It definitely looks terrifying, but Molly never seems to even care or even notice it's happening, so I can't imagine it really harms them.

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