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Baron Neck Problems

Monday night right before we were getting ready for bed, Baron was laying next to the sofa and went to get up and let out a yelp. Checked him over and found nothing noticeable. He went out to pee and he is always the first to get on the bed and all was fine. During the night, every time he would get up and reposition himself, he let out a yelp. When he laid down between us, he was having a twitching spasm in his left shoulder but after he relaxed, it went away. Kept him quiet all day Tuesday and no yelping when laying down or over night. But, the next morning he did. So off to the vet. He checked him over and thinks the problem is in his neck. His range of neck motion was not as good as it should be. He put him on Gabapentin (300 mg twice a day) and Methocarbomol (500 mg twice a day). Unfortunately, because of Baron's DCM and his age (9 years 10 months), any kind of CT scan or MRI is out of the question. The vet said we could do x-rays but sometimes they do not give a good picture. Figuring out if it is an injury or Wobblers is a problem. So, for now we are going to do the meds and see how it goes. He is eating, drinking, pooping, and peeing. So that is a good thing. As of yesterday, he was walking around better and trotting a little and played with his toys. Unfortunately, Baron didn't get the memo that he needs to take it easy and last night when I turned around he went in the bedroom and jumped on the bed. So I left him there all night and he was fine but this morning, the getting off the bed is the problem. Hubby and I tried getting a hold of him to help him down but he slipped away from us and jumped and let out a yelp. So we absolutely cannot let him do this and need to figure out other sleeping arrangements or some way to help him get up on the bed. Not sure he will be happy if I bring his bed into the bedrooom for him to sleep on.

Question for any who have had a dog with neck problems: Do you think I should get him a raised feeder and water dish? Any suggestions on getting him on our bed? Don't think steps or a ramp are going to work (did check them out) and think that will stress him out? He is able to get up and down on the sofa without a problem. Any other questions to ask the vet when I call him next week to give him an update?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give my boy.

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Poor boy, does sound like it could be wobblers.

The last year my Stormy was with us he could no longer jump on the bed either, so we put our mattress on the floor.

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I wonder if a chiropractor could help? I've heard great things about them and masseuses.
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I know nothing about Wobblers, but I am sorry to hear this. Baron is a favorite of mine on this list. Hoping you find a cause and relief for him soon.

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Kip was put on Gabapentin for his back issues a while ago--that and the low dose steroids he takes for reasons in addition to his back seem to help a lot.

Yes, like Darkevs said, when Capri had her lengthy time of surgery and wasn’t supposed to jump much (my bed is quite high), I bought a 5” thick memory foam mattress from Walmart or somewhere, and we slept on the floor. It was actually quite comfortable. Later, as jumping wasn’t quite so much of a problem (and I needed an extra bed because my daughter was back from school), my bed’s top mattress went on the floor and I used the memory foam mattress on the box springs in the bed frame. The bed was lower that way (more like couch height) and Capri could make the step up, but both beds were still comfortable.

Now, I’m using the foam mattress for Kip. He can’t manage my (now reassembled) higher bed. I worried that he wouldn’t accept sleeping on the floor instead of my bed, because that is where he had always slept, but I have the memory foam mattress tucked part way under the foot of my bed (it is the same size as my normal bed) and he gets a nice big (queen bed width, half as long) soft bed to lie on. He seems quite happy to sleep there at night.

Steps and ramps didn’t work at all, just an extra thing to jump over on the way to the top of the bed.

Hope Baron’s neck issues are just from a temporary tweak or something and he feels better soon.

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Mel and Darlene, I think our option for the bed situation is going to be taking the box springs out and hubby putting a piece of plywood on the slats and then putting the mattress on top (its a memory form one). I think he will be able to step up that height because he does step up on the sofa with no problem. He took a short walk when we came back from errands and was trotting a bit again. The neighbor's chickens were out and I know he wanted to chase them but did stop himself. Feel so bad for him. In his life, he seems to get everything that comes down the pike: DCM, environmental allergies, vWD affected (but at least not clinical), and now this. Darlene, thanks for all links on Wobblers, etc. Started reading them today to get myself informed.

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Zeus had something like this maybe 6 months ago. Getting up from the couch he yelped and was holding his head down like he had a shoulder/neck injury. Did this a few times after getting up off the floor from laying down or getting on and off the furniture. After a few days he was back to normal. We think it was just a case of him playing a little too hard earlier that week (he plays ball really intensely still even at almost 10) Hopefully this is the case for Baron? Sending good vibes his way...
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I hate wobblers/CVI.

Sadly Mister is being euthanized today because of god damned wobblers.

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Hoping it's just temporary and not wobblers but he's on a good plan if it is.
I'd definitely recommend a raised feeder, much easier on their shoulders/neck to not have to bend and stretch.

How were his toe/foot reflexes?
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So sorry Darlene. I have never experienced this with any of my Dobes. GK, yes I am hoping it is just an injury because he does ram around a lot, flipping around, and sliding.

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Baron's symptoms mirror those that McCoy experienced when he was quite young. His neck was so painful, that he yelped going down stairs. He would not eat his food with the bowl on the floor. I had to hold it up to feed him. I had to raise his water bowl. Our vet, who is very knowledgeable when it comes to Dobermans was concerned about a possible CVI situation.
He sent us to a spinal specialist who agreed that it was a neck issue and scheduled a myelogram. McCoy was put on Tramadol, Gabapentin and a low dose steroid.

The bottom line is that he improved tremendously before the myelogram was to be performed. So. we cancelled the procedure and saved $2500. It turned out to be an acute situation, probably a neck injury that healed itself, as opposed to a chronic spinal problem like our boy Sheriff has. McCoy was completely back to normal within 2 weeks.

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Hoping it's just temporary and not wobblers but he's on a good plan if it is.
I'd definitely recommend a raised feeder, much easier on their shoulders/neck to not have to bend and stretch.

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Thanks Sam. Going to look on Amazon and order a feeder for him. When the vet did the toe/foot reflexes, he said they were OK. I going to DPR's Jamboree tomorrow and I going to have one of volunteers who is a vet tech do the reflexes for me again.

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We have the bed situation solved. Today hubby is a genius. We were going to take the box spring out and put a piece of plywood on the slats. What we ended up doing was taking the slats out and removing one of the strips of wood that the slats sat on. This is an antique oak bed and we had someone make custom side panels to make the bed a normal length. Guess people back then were shorter! So we laid the box spring on the floor and put the mattress on top and now it is same height as the sofa. I also put one of his crate beds next to the bed which gives him another 2 inches up. And, we are good to go!
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Hoping it's only a pulled muscle and not wobblers. Glad you got the bed figured out. Thinking good thoughts for sweet Baron!
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Mel and Darlene, I think our option for the bed situation is going to be taking the box springs out and hubby putting a piece of plywood on the slats and then putting the mattress on top (its a memory form one). I think he will be able to step up that height because he does step up on the sofa with no problem. He took a short walk when we came back from errands and was trotting a bit again. The neighbor's chickens were out and I know he wanted to chase them but did stop himself. Feel so bad for him. In his life, he seems to get everything that comes down the pike: DCM, environmental allergies, vWD affected (but at least not clinical), and now this. Darlene, thanks for all links on Wobblers, etc. Started reading them today to get myself informed.
I build up piles of dogbeds to gain height and they sometimes use that to get on the bed, or else sleep right next to me and just a few inches below. I have a biggish foam base covered, then the dogbeds (1 or 2) pile on top of that so it is like walking up soft stairs. It also helps if you have a sick dog you want next to you but not on the bed due to incontinence etc. I used to have Yoda sleep next to me like that and I could keep him covered all night with his blanket and put pee pads inside the top dog bed in case he had an accident.

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Its too bad I cant get my hands on him I would have been able to tell if it was soft tissue injury or if it is skeletal. If the vet says its OK, maybe you can do some heat hydrotherapy? This will really help increase the circulation, speeding up tissue recovery and can increase his range of motion (assuming its soft tissue).
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Its too bad I cant get my hands on him I would have been able to tell if it was soft tissue injury or if it is skeletal. If the vet says its OK, maybe you can do some heat hydrotherapy? This will really help increase the circulation, speeding up tissue recovery and can increase his range of motion (assuming its soft tissue).
Thanks for this information. Will check with the vet when I call him.

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Have been MIA for a while and just NOW got this thread.. So so sorry to hear of this latest development.. will be much more diligent in checking.. wow.. let' get this figured out.. prayers for you and Baron.
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Poor guy. One of mine was body slammed by another dog and injured her neck. Recovery was quick. Our bed was on the floor too and DH built a rectangle box, covered with carpet for a step for the bed. Most of mine have eaten elevated. I had one that layed down to eat. I hope you find some relief for him. He's a special boy.

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Hoping it's just temporary and not wobblers but he's on a good plan if it is.
I'd definitely recommend a raised feeder, much easier on their shoulders/neck to not have to bend and stretch.

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Sam, ordered a Neater Feeder through their web site because they do a 20% to Doberman Pinscher Rescue of PA. Also, at our Jamboree on Saturday, had one of volunteers who is a vet tech do his reflexes for me and she thought they were not too bad (made me feel a little better).

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Hoping it's just temporary and not wobblers but he's on a good plan if it is.
I'd definitely recommend a raised feeder, much easier on their shoulders/neck to not have to bend and stretch.

How were his toe/foot reflexes?
Sam, ordered a Neater Feeder through their web site because they do a 20% to Doberman Pinscher Rescue of PA. Also, at our Jamboree on Saturday, had one of volunteers who is a vet tech do his reflexes for me and she thought they were not too bad (made me feel a little better).
That's great too hear, makes me more hopeful as well that it's just a soft tissue/temporary issue.
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Just in case you are still concerned about wobblers, and I know this will be tough with Baron's collar collection , we were told to use a harness only; no more regular collars with wobblers. If you do have a holistic vet near you, I highly recommend it. I know someone mentioned chiro above, but again, if it is wobblers, that's the last thing that you'd want to do. At our holistic vet, they either do laser therapy or acupuncture. The raised feeder is also great. What I ended up doing is stacking rubbermaid type containers on top of each other. Roxy's condition seems to be ever-changing and that way, we can change how high/low the raised feeder is to make things most comfortable for her. Please keep us posted on how Baron is doing. I'm keeping all of you in my thoughts. And kudos to your hubby for fixing the bed!
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Just in case you are still concerned about wobblers, and I know this will be tough with Baron's collar collection , we were told to use a harness only; no more regular collars with wobblers. If you do have a holistic vet near you, I highly recommend it. I know someone mentioned chiro above, but again, if it is wobblers, that's the last thing that you'd want to do. At our holistic vet, they either do laser therapy or acupuncture. The raised feeder is also great. What I ended up doing is stacking rubbermaid type containers on top of each other. Roxy's condition seems to be ever-changing and that way, we can change how high/low the raised feeder is to make things most comfortable for her. Please keep us posted on how Baron is doing. I'm keeping all of you in my thoughts. And kudos to your hubby for fixing the bed!
Thanks for the input. Yes, the vet told me no leashes on his collars. I bought an Easy Walk and then remembered I had a Julius K-9 harness when we started doing Nosework. But, Collar Mania does some nice harnesses which I am looking into when they reopen.

Baron is going to in for x-rays tomorrow so will see what they say. He has been much better yesterday and today so I know the meds are working and hoping he is healing also. Our vet does laser therapy and I have looked into acupuncture. Right now I found one 2 hours away but have to do some more research and see if I can find one a bit closer.

He is still eating, drinking, pooping and peeing like normal. And, Sunday he started being interested in his toys. We have been going for short walks with no hills and he is trotting around more.

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I know this is a couple of days old, and I hope your boy is feeling better!

There were 2 different instances where our boy Ruger would spend a few days with the same issues. He would slightly yipe when getting up/ repositioning. The first time I know he hurt himself jumping too high for a toy - he must have landed in a poor way. The second time, I think it was a "running through the woods like a greyhound" situation when he hurt himself. In any case, we found it helpful for him to lay up against the side of the couch, to prop him up a little, rather than him laying flat. Also, when we placed pillows under his chin (again, so his head didn't have to bend down so much) that was also helpful!

I hope this helps to make him comfy Hope Baron feels better SOON!!
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Baron was to the vet today for x-rays and they were not too bad. Just some age related things but from what he could see no signs of any severe damage. He is very confident that it was an injury or strain because he has responded so well to meds. His reflexes were pretty good also. He said I can start slowly reducing the meds starting Friday and see how we do and said to limit his activities for another couple of weeks. Also, no leash on collar forever. Only on harnesses. So I feel a much relieved and he is feeling better and moving around better. Thanks again everyone for your advice and support.

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