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Please keep Max in your prayers...

This will be short as I'm so worried I can hardly function right now. A couple weeks ago Max had an unusual cough when he woke up - lasted only about ten seconds and didn't happen again until yesterday. Again it lasted only a few seconds and that was it. Nothing else unusual. However, I'm so scared it's DCM. He's only two years old. I have an appointment with my vet today and will get him in with a cardiologist asap.

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As Dobe guardians, isn't it terrible to have such an undertow of DCM in our thoughts all the time? I already lost one ( 6 yrs old) to this killer disease so it isn't far from my mind either. I totally understand.
My boy will be three in a few weeks and every time I hear a gag, or a cough, or SOMETHING .....i think of DCM.
Max has an advantage with his young age.Absolutely have him checked...have you done a baseline echo on him yet? if not, I recommend it. Seeing the echo come out normal eases your mind. My boy had one last fall and is having a holter done soon also. And yes, I was a wreck during the echo...it will be worse during the holter!
Please let us all know how Max is doing.
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As Dobe guardians, isn't it terrible to have such an undertow of DCM in our thoughts all the time? I already lost one ( 6 yrs old) to this killer disease so it isn't far from my mind either. I totally understand.
My boy will be three in a few weeks and every time I hear a gag, or a cough, or SOMETHING .....i think of DCM.
Max has an advantage with his young age.Absolutely have him checked...have you done a baseline echo on him yet? if not, I recommend it. Seeing the echo come out normal eases your mind. My boy had one last fall and is having a holter done soon also. And yes, I was a wreck during the echo...it will be worse during the holter!
Please let us all know how Max is doing.
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Thanks so much(to everyone). After I made this thread I thought maybe I shouldn't have and I'm over reacting but like you say it's hard not to panic! It's just that I've never heard a cough quite like this before. I do plan to have the echo and holster done, even if my vet says he sounds normal.

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Question: Does Max take a Heart Worm preventative medication? A soft dry intermittent cough is sometimes an indication of Heart Worm.

As with your worries about DCM. I feel your anxiety. Our oldest boy was diagnosed at about 5 yo. He lived pretty much unaffected (on meds) for several years and then died suddenly about 2 1/2 years ago.

Hoping for the best possible outcome for Max (That it is nothing)

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Question: Does Max take a Heart Worm preventative medication? A soft dry intermittent cough is sometimes an indication of Heart Worm.

As with your worries about DCM. I feel your anxiety. Our oldest boy was diagnosed at about 5 yo. He lived pretty much unaffected (on meds) for several years and then died suddenly about 2 1/2 years ago.

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Thanks John. Yep he is on monthly heartworm medicine year around.

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Just got home from the Vet's. She took x-rays and blood. She said the heart looked totally normal and she didn't see anything that would indicate DCM, but she did hear a little bit of a raspy sound in his lungs, and the x-rays showed minor infiltrates. She said these could be from an infection or even just an irritation. We'll know more when the bloodwork comes back. Also a Radiologist will read the x-rays and we'll know more about those as well. In the meantime she didn't prescribe any antibiotics or anything else just yet. Even though the heart looked normal I am calling a Cardiologist tomorrow and he will have the echo and holter done regardless of how these other things turn out. My vet said it might take 2 to 3 weeks to get him in there.

I've been trying to think what could be irritating his lungs and I had a couple thoughts. I do use a little caldesene powder under his armpits once in a while. I also spray him lightly with fresh and clean cologne maybe once or twice a week, but I'm VERY careful and hide his face extremely well (his head is between my legs and his nose and face behind me while I spray his body in front of me) when I'm spraying him and he then moves away as soon as I'm done. I will see if they have wipes instead.

That's about it for now. Here's a picture of him waiting for the Vet to come in! He LOVES everybody there!

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Hey AZ.

Your words "I've been trying to think what could be irritating his lung"

Dogs, just like humans, are susceptible to seasonal (environmental) allergies. In dogs, we mostly think of dermal associated allergic responses. Yet respiratory, sinus and nasal allergies are also quite common.

For example, I am allergic to several varieties of grass. It can cause a dry cough, sneezing and irritated eyes.

Perhaps, with your vet's permission, you might try an OTC allergy med such as Benedryl if this continues.

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Hey AZ.

Your words "I've been trying to think what could be irritating his lung"

Dogs, just like humans, are susceptible to seasonal (environmental) allergies. In dogs, we mostly think of dermal associated allergic responses. Yet respiratory, sinus and nasal allergies are also quite common.

For example, I am allergic to several varieties of grass. It can cause a dry cough, sneezing and irritated eyes.

Perhaps, with your vet's permission, you might try an OTC allergy med such as Benedryl if this continues.

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Thanks John. I'll definitely keep that in mind and mention it to the vet. I can't find anything online about allergies causing the infiltrates though, but I'll ask about it. One thing that WAS listed as a possible cause was talc, so I'm definitely going to stop using the caldesene powder completely.

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Will be keeping you in our thoughts as I know how scary this can be.
I would be so careful of any scents or talcums.
Hoping to hear a clear report soon.

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Will be keeping you in our thoughts as I know how scary this can be.
I would be so careful of any scents or talcums.
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Thanks so much. I forgot to mention I'm not going to use the doggie cologne spray any more either, just in case.

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Thanks John. I'll definitely keep that in mind and mention it to the vet. I can't find anything online about allergies causing the infiltrates though, but I'll ask about it. One thing that WAS listed as a possible cause was talc, so I'm definitely going to stop using the caldesene powder completely.
It is interesting that you mention talc. There are a slew of studies being done right now on the possible adverse effects of talc in humans. We have always assumed that talc based powders were totally benign. Think "baby powder".

Seems like nothing is totally safe anymore.

My boys get wiped down with simple water and a white cotton towel.

Occasionally if they have a irritation, I will add some organic aloe. McCoy is approaching 2 yo. and has had only one bath in his life.

They have no skin issues and don't stink. Well.... anymore than a clean healthy dog should.

I should mention that my son's male Dobe had a persistent cough this summer and they looked into ARDS, which it fortunately turned out not to be. He was briefly put on a broad spectrum antibiotic and it cleared right up. It was never specifically diagnosed as he improved immediately.

I truly hope that this turns out to be nothing more than a "cough" like you or I would occasionally have as kids.

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Thanks for the updates and hoping all will be well with your boy. Since he is 2, a baseline echo and holter would be a good thing.

In addition to the DCM, Baron also has environmental allergies which we fussed with a regular vet for about a year and a half when he was younger and finally bit the bullet and took him to a dermatologist and had the allergy tests done and he is allergic to almost everything outside. But with him, the only reaction was around his eyes. He has been on allergy shots for over 5 years and has been symptom free for over 3 years. The dermatologist recommended for Baron a bath at least once a month during allergy season but I just continue all year long.

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You live in Arizona? Did your vet mention the possibility of Valley Fever? Whatever it turns out to be, here's hoping your guy comes through right as rain!
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Yes she did mention it but did not think it was the cause of his symptoms. We won't rule it out completely but she was highly doubtful he has it.

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LOL! I was reading through this thread and saw the Arizona and cough and wondered if your vet had considered that. It's not incredibly common in dogs but you guys definitely live in an area where it should be a consideration.

Don't know if it's still true but at one time Valley Fever was regarded as a likely work comp illness in people who worked in certain jobs in the South West--vets were among those listed.

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The latest update on Max:

I spoke with my vet today and she said the blood work came back excellent. She also had the Radiologist report and it said that he does have some minor infiltrates going on in his left lung - but so minor it could even just be normal for him. However, because of his strange cough I suspect it is not normal, even if it is very minor. It was impossible to say for sure if it is a reaction to something or a minor infection at this point.

I have an appointment on the 26th with a Cardiologist for an echo and holter. My vet feels we should just hold off on any treatment until then, unless of course he starts coughing again (he hasn't coughed since Sunday that I know of). She seems to think they will be able to tell us more, even about the lungs. I forgot to ask her but I am assuming they can also look at the lungs when they do the echo? I need to ask that.

We have added a valley fever test to the blood work and will have the results Monday - she is highly doubtful he has it but just to eliminate the possibility.

I told her about the caldesene powder I'd been using occasionally. I used a little of this under his armpits from time to time when he would develop a minor rash/redness. She and I both feel there is a very good possibility that this is the cause of his lung issue. It makes me sick that I was doing something that actually harmed him. The good news is I caught it early and the vet said if this is indeed the problem, the lung should clear up just fine once I stop the powder, which of course I have 100%!!! I've also completely stopped any kinds of spray even though she felt the powder was much more likely the culprit.

That's about it for now - I will update again once the echo and holter results are in.

Thanks to everyone who replied to this thread - even though it seems to be something minor I was a nervous wreck and it really helped just being able to talk to people who genuinely understand. I SURE wish I'd have known about DT when I had my last three.

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This is GREAT news about Max! Thanks for letting us know that he is going to be fine. Bets that the echo/holter will be normal too.
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Sending lots of good thoughts and hoping things go well at the Cardiologist visit. He sure is a handsome boy!

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I have been wondering how Max was doing and I am glad to hear this report. I am counting on the other test being a good report, too!

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He's SUCH a handsome boy! And thanks for the update.
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Thanks so much again everyone. I truly don't mean to keep bumping this thread but I have just a little update that Max's Valley Fever test came back negative today. He hasn't done any more coughing either so I'm still hopeful it was just that powder I was using.

The next thing now is his appointment with the Cardiologist on the 26th. My vet said they should be able to double check the lungs again when they do the echo. Otherwise we will play it by ear for now and get the heart testing done to rule that out. The cardio tests were something I wanted to have done anyways even if he'd never had the strange cough.

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