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Old 11-09-2006, 05:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ear cropping aftercare

Hello everyone. This is my first post. I just got my Dobie 3 weeks ago and she's my first one. Also, I just found this site which is really great. Anyway, my question is, what were your different experiences for the first couple of days with your Dobie after ear cropping. Sasha just got her ears cropped two days ago and I picked her up yesterday. She already tore up the Elizibethan collar and always shakes her head! And when I try to clean the sutures, she cries so I just get so scared to touch it. It also bleeds a little because she shakes her head all the time. (I will be calling the vet about that right after this)...Stupid question because I know it hurts, but anyone elses Dobie squealed and squirmed when they tried to clean their wounds for the first couple of days? I just feel so bad whenever she cries...
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Old 11-09-2006, 05:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Mostly my Doberman puppies were already cropped and the edges healed when I got them, because caring breeders do that to ensure the puppies get a good ear corp, experienced care at this critical period, and to relieve the new owner of having to it all themselves.

Those breeders know which vets to go to in order to get good ear crops. Most other vets do strange things to the ears after cropping. Some use wire racks, some swathe the whole head in gauze, etc.

The breeders I know do one of two things right after cropping. They either 1) lay the ears flat over the top of the puppies head and use a piece of tape(not over the cut edges) to hold them together there until the ears are healed and the stitches come out, or 2) they use an inverted styrofoam cup on top of the puppy's head and glue/tape it to the cup, not on the cut edtes of course. Some also split a large soft sock and put over the whole thing to help protect the ears from rambunctious puppies. These methods are good IMO because they're simple, easy for the puppy to adjust to, and safe if the puppy should run into anything.

What exactly has your vet done with the ears right after cropping? I've never known a Doberman puppy to need to wear an Elizabethan collar after cropping. She shouldn't be shaking her head much either. It can depend on the individual puppy or on whatever the vet has put on her head, if anything.
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The vet had taped the ears back like you said (of course not on the cut edges) for it to air out. No cup here. They told me she needs to wear the collar because of the chance she might scratch her ears and ruin the stitches (which she does scratch but not too often). I just think she shakes her head since she is not used to having her ears taped outwards and it's irritating. Wished it was much easier and less painful to clean her ears/scabs but they are healing ok. I called the vet and will take her in tomorrow for a check up on how the ears are progressing. thanks.
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Outwards? The ears are taped outwards? Can you post a picture of this?
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Old 11-09-2006, 06:56 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm thinking by "outwards" she means inside out, taped laying flat across the top of the head.
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:10 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Welcome to the forum Misty and contrats on your pup. can't wait to see her pictures. the edges of her ears should heal up pretty quickly, sometimes neosporen helps. I wouldn't worry about the collar. Cody just got the cup on his head and never really worried his ears to much. you may want to chek to make sure the inside is clean so that is not what is bothering Sasha

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Old 11-09-2006, 07:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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This is how Mensa looked the day after she had her ears cropped:



That is a stryrofoam cup taped to the top of her head. Before long she started kicking it around so I made a "bonnet" out of a sock and covered her cup with it:




This is the site someone here refered me too describing how the "sock-bonnet" is made:

http://www.daystardanes.com/sockbonnet.htm

I never cleaned Mensa's ears before she got her stitches out. I just rubbed Neo-Sporin (the "+ Pain" type) on the edges where they were cut.

Hope this helps.

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Old 11-09-2006, 11:16 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thank you very much. For some reason the vet did not do the cup thing, but tomorrow I will take her in and ask why he does not do this method. I have been trying to put neosporin on her but she is being difficult and jumps and moves around. I guess it's just the tape on her ears that irritate her. She would always shake her head (not a lot) anyway even with floppy ears. Thanks for everyones help. I guess I'll update you on the vet visit and try to get some pics up.
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She already tore up the Elizibethan collar and always shakes her head! And when I try to clean the sutures, she cries so I just get so scared to touch it. ...but anyone elses Dobie squealed and squirmed when they tried to clean their wounds for the first couple of days?
Having been through the cropping of many puppies, I don't try to clean their wounds at all. I just leave them alone. My puppies are extremely well handled, though, so I could touch them or do whatever I needed to do if there were something I needed to do.

I've also never used an Elizabethan collar, and don't see the need. I usually stay pretty close to my puppies after the surgery and keep them occupied playing until they are tired enough to sleep so that they aren't just sitting around scratching their ears. It's really when I begin teaching them the "leave it" command. If they scratch, I say "leave it" and distract them into playing with a toy.

The last thing you want to be is scared to touch her because she cries. She's training you already. Rather than trying to clean her sutures, I'd forget about that at this time and just work on touching her ears and getting her used to being handled without the drama.

I'm curious - how old is she? She looks older than the normal cropping age in your avatar?
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Old 11-10-2006, 12:40 AM   #11 (permalink)
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She is 10 weeks old. I know some vets and breeders prefer to crop at an earlier age but the vet I went to only crops at 10 weeks and no longer than 12 for whatever reason. But I have seen his work and that is why I chose him. Also, there's not many croppers in Hawaii since most vets here don't do that.
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Old 11-10-2006, 01:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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You'll move into the actual "posting" phase as soon as your Pup's stitches come out, no matter how the ears are set up at first. Should be about ten days. maybe less.

The ears heal up remakably fast. In a couple days you should see a major difference in their condition.
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My dog was a "shaker" also, and he had to wear an e-collar. I would leave the edges alone, maybe a dab of the neosporin with pain releiver in it, you want the scabs to fall off on their own so that it doesnt scar. I watched Rommel like a hawk, and he still managed to pull out some of his stitches, I would ask your vet about getting a soft e-collar, it might be more comfortable for her and will still keep her from getting at her ears (for the most part). Good Luck, keep us updated
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Old 11-10-2006, 10:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Java's ears were well on the mend when we brought her home. Neosporin is a good idea. Maybe try the antibacterial sprays that take the sting out as well, but check w/ vet first? Once the ears start to scab over and any weeping stops try dabbing on a bit of Vitamin E (gel caps form) - it will help bring up the new skins and slough off the scabs plus keep the skin soft and pliable, prevent scarring.

If you notice any smell that doesn't seem right, call the vet. Java had a bit of infection at the very tip of one and needed antibiotics.

I know it is a stressful time and you don't want anything to happy to your sweet pup. If your breeder has offered help over the phone, don't hesitate to call. He/she will be more than happy to advise you. Mine even offered to help change the taping, and it was worth the hour's drive for the first bit.

Good luck - I think the DPCA site has a booklet on cropping that might help as well!
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Holly was a Shaker to she also had a e-collar I left her Ears alone I used a dab of neosporin a few times thats all. When we went back to the Vet Her Ears looked 100% Healed just about. The first 2 weeks are the toughest I would say if its your first time
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Having been through the cropping of many puppies, I don't try to clean their wounds at all. I just leave them alone. ?
Yeah, I put a clean sock bonnet on newly cropped puppies every day, and that's it. Other than that, I leave their ears alone.
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Old 11-12-2006, 11:17 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I don't clean the ear edges at all either--just leave them alone and keep the other dogs from spending their life trying to clean the puppies ears.

At most I'd use neosporine or any other triple antibiotic cream or gel on them.

And in many years of going through puppies and ear crops I've never used an e-collar. When I first had dobes the puppies all came home from cropping with the ears taped over the top of the head. Now it's more common to see them up on a cup--a method I personally like better because the across the head method almost always meant you started posting with pockets in the base of the ears.

But they both work and either methods means that you can pull the sutures (which generally should come out before the ear edge is completely healed) and still leave the ears either on the cup or across the head until completely healed.

The few pups I've seen around my neck of the woods who were put in e-collars seemed to be much more bothered by the collar than the ears.
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