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Old 05-20-2010, 01:45 PM   #26 (permalink)
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What is the "not" for? Just curious?
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I don't know what the correlation would be but my theory has been that dogs tend to get bloat from eating a diet strictly of dry food. Canines were not meant to eat kibble as their only source of nutrition, try mixing some meat in their kibble that will help prevent bloat, or if you live on a budget like me mix a little bit of canned dog food w/ their dry that seems to do that trick also
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Thread said................raised feeding or not! I said NOT!!!!! Never have raised their feed dish and never had a dog bloat either.
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Thread said................raised feeding or not! I said NOT!!!!! Never have raised their feed dish and never had a dog bloat either.
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I was considering getting a raised feeder, but I don't think I will now xD.

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Interesting. We too have always kept fresh water out all the time and its there with the food at feeding time. We feed twice a day. And Quincy's pattern after eating kibble is to drink. He doesn't drink a whole bowl or anything. But thinking about it, if you feed dry kibble, it goes in the stomach, then when the dog sucks down a bunch of water behind it, the kibble will expand in the stomach. Maybe it's better to serve moistened kibble that is already starting to expand a little outside the dog. I don't know.
When feeding my dogs kibble (which makes up just over half of their diet, the other part being prey model raw), I generally pour hot water into the kibble, and wait five minutes. By that time the water will have cooled quite a bit (the dogs seem to prefer it slightly warm which is why I make sure it's very hot when I first pour it in) and the kibbles will have expanded a lot; almost double their original size. I'm not sure if it is beneficial to the health of the dog but I would rather it expand out of the body than in.
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Old 02-19-2012, 04:42 PM   #34 (permalink)
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We do not use raised feeders. Do not give a lot of water before or after feeding. We also wait at least 1 hr after a heavy excercise (a lot of all out running and jumping) to feed them and no excercise for 1-2 hrs after feeding.
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Tried feeding on the floor but Chase aspirates his food, not good. Tried to slow down by putting balls in the bowl, its the fact that he eats fast and that the kibble is dry. So I raise his food and soak it. Raising it slowed him down tremendously, and soaking it stopped the aspiration and choking 100%.
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Tried feeding on the floor but Chase aspirates his food, not good. Tried to slow down by putting balls in the bowl, its the fact that he eats fast and that the kibble is dry. So I raise his food and soak it. Raising it slowed him down tremendously, and soaking it stopped the aspiration and choking 100%.
There was something I read about wetting the food. I think it was if the food had chicken fat that was perserved with citric acid in the first 4-5 ingredients do not wet the food or give a lot of water with feeding. The mixture of the food citric acid water and stomach acids cause more gas to produce in the stomach.

Here is some info on it. Then you can find some info that says different.

blog.halopets.com/2009/06/01/does-citric-acid

blog.k9cuisine.com/dog-food.../canine-bloat-and-citric-acid
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I would not use a raised feeder dish unless a medical condition warranted it. My dobe eats from a slow-down food bowl on the floor. Feeding at ground level is closer to how a dog would eat in the wild.
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Do you think a doberman is built slightly differently than say, a wolf?

Personally, I was told by Greyhound people to always elevate the food bowel because of their deep chest and predisposition to bloat. The dobe breeder I know feeds elevated.

I have read things pro-elevating and against. I elevate more so because none of the dogs are good on their fronts.

My dogs also do not bolt their food, but rather eat pretty slowly. I don't know if I'd raise it if they "wolfed" down their food.
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Interesting. We too have always kept fresh water out all the time and its there with the food at feeding time. We feed twice a day. And Quincy's pattern after eating kibble is to drink. He doesn't drink a whole bowl or anything. But thinking about it, if you feed dry kibble, it goes in the stomach, then when the dog sucks down a bunch of water behind it, the kibble will expand in the stomach. Maybe it's better to serve moistened kibble that is already starting to expand a little outside the dog. I don't know.
I do the same, except I have always added some water to Anne's food from the time of her first meal after getting home from the breeder. She also eats from a raised feeding stand.

Added note: her food does not contain citric acid.

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I've used raised water bowls for 7 years. Mack has a 4" raised water bowl and Sam uses a 14" raised water bowl. They eat raw so I don't use a raised feeder for their food.
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There was something I read about wetting the food. I think it was if the food had chicken fat that was perserved with citric acid in the first 4-5 ingredients do not wet the food or give a lot of water with feeding. The mixture of the food citric acid water and stomach acids cause more gas to produce in the stomach.

Here is some info on it. Then you can find some info that says different.

blog.halopets.com/2009/06/01/does-citric-acid

blog.k9cuisine.com/dog-food.../canine-bloat-and-citric-acid
Chicken doesn't agree with him, so he only gets rabbit, lamb, salmon, and sometimes turkey or duck.
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Do whatever works for you and your dog, everyone has their opinions on it. I agree with murrey and burns on this debate.
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We feed Jed in stainless bowls on the floor. Always has access to fresh water and fed twice a day. When we first rescued him he would eat so fast it was like he didnt take a breath. So we put a large rock in his bowl. So he would eat around it. Seems to have worked great. Now he lays down and eats from his bowl (werdio)
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Due to a thread from Icerbone abut poor Kaiser and Bloat!!! This has been mentioned about raised feeding being a risk factor. We feed Max raised to his chest height. Is this really increasing the risk?? Our breeder told us it was good for his posture. What should we do.

I have had four Dobes and each and every one of them ate from elevated bowls. To date I have never had an episode of bloat. I also do not allow my dogs to vigorously exercise during the one hour before or one hour after eating.
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For what it's worth, Kai ate from a raised feeder due to Wobbler's/CVI for several years and was on a raw diet.

Kai did bloat. But he hadn't had food or water at all when he started showing symptoms. He also hadn't exercised.

So, I can honestly say that I've done just about everything I have heard of to prevent bloat...and my dog did bloat.

I think that while food/raised feeders/exercise, etc do certainly come in to play with some dogs...genetics is probably the biggest factor. IMO...which is not scientific in any way that I'm aware of.

Edited to add--at one point I had my personal vet and a referral vet at TAMU tell me that raised feeders prevented bloat. Now I think studies have reversed that.
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I've heard mixed reviews on the raised bowl debate. Torque eats out of a slow feed bowl on the floor. He always has access to fresh water. I do really make sure to wait an hour before and after exercise before feeding. Sometimes he gets some to most of his dinner out of a Kong Wobbler. He LOVES that thing!
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As far as I know and have been doing for over 30 years (with 5 great danes, 1 lab, and now a Vizsla and a dobie).. Dogs must have access to water 24/7 and should be allowed to drink whenever they feel like it, the only exception is 1 hour after eating and this is only if they consume dry food that is not hydrated.
As far as bloating is concerned I really doubt the hight of the bowl has anything to do with it... it is mostley the running and jumping the dogs do withing 1h30 or so after a large meal.
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I feed on the floor myself. Like others, I have done everything possible and still had a dog bloat and thankfully survive. I do try to take every precuation at all possible though. The last studies I saw indicated raised bowls possibly increased the incidence and I'm too much of a stress nut to push the envelope.

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I think the more natural position for food is lower to the ground. That being said...I have Axel's bowls raised just a couple inches so the spilled water doesn't get all nasty under the bowl and can dry out.

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