BvW602

Hopefully this question is on topic with the thread and not too silly:

I'm having my dog neutered sometime between 12 and 18 months old. His balls have obviously already dropped and grown, etc. Does the neutering just cut out the balls, but leave the hanging scrotum sac? I've seen a dog that was neutered and he had a hanging piece of skin flap where his balls used to go.

Do they cut off the entire flap and stitch it up so there is no more flap (can they do that?), or to they just cut out the balls (sorry, I should say testicles, I just realized), and leave the scrotum sac, which then hangs for the rest of his life and looks silly? Or does it eventually recede on its own?

He's already been tested for vWD by vetgen and he's a carrier, but not affected.

obiethedobe

I have never seen a skin flap, they have all been smooth.
What I am wondering after reading the linked article is should I wait untill mine is one to do it, my contract says 6 months but they are flexible.
The bone cancer thing is what scares me!
He is also vWD affected, but the breeder told me not to worry about it because they have had affected before and had no problems, no clinically affected I guess???
Has anyone had the bone cancer issue before?

reddobes

Typically, in dogs, a "prescrotal" incision is made (just in front of the scrotum) and both testicles are removed thru that incision. A scrotal ablation (removal of the scrotal sac) is not normally performed. The scrotal tissue does gradually shrink up.

faber

I don't wish to create yet another debate- but would like anyone wishing to read an article written on statistics and not "cause my vet said"- to at least consider donating some time reading the link i posted on page 1- (its information is sited as to were the facts/statistics came from)- I have found 1 other article myself that made the same statements- also sited, and based on statistics. This article was sent to me by a reputable source. I only wish to add to your overall consensus of ''when to/if to'' information for consideration. You may consider printing it and utilizing it as a platform for disussion w/your trusted vet.

prophecy

any surgery incurs a risk of death or complications.however, i personally have never had a pet have an issue with a spay/neuter. its wise to realise
with dogs that carry risks in genetics like vwd-a clotting disorder found in several breeds,wich include the doberman,risk of bleeding MAY occur more often. vwd inhibits clotting,wich is the running risk of bleeding out.they make a blood test to see if your dog has vwd,so your vet can have certain safety precautions to assure your dogs well being.

general risks for desexing surgery are.

anesthesia reactions, bleeding, post operative pain, infection,etc.

risks of leaving them intact are....
males.
testicular/prostate cancer,marking for terratorial reasons, behavioural issues and there more... well cocky.lol

female risks of being intact, are unwanted pregnancy, pyrometria (uterine infection), cancer in the reproductive organs, breast cancer, and behavioural issues related to hormonal cycle.

if you dont intend to breed,i would de-sex your dog.its better than the alternative in my opinions.

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faber

QOUTE--"More recently, two retrospective studies were conducted that did utilize control populations. One of these
studies involved a dog population in Europe5 and the other involved a dog population in America6. Both
studies found that neutered male dogs have a four times higher risk of prostate cancer than intact dogs."-SEE ARTICLE
Read the last line again slowly....

faber

-QOUTE---"Testicular Cancer
Since the testicles are removed with neutering, castration removes any risk of testicular cancer (assuming
the castration is done before cancer develops). This needs to be compared to the risk of testicular cancer in
intact dogs.
Testicular tumors are not uncommon in older intact dogs, with a reported incidence of 7%8.(THATS 7% THE 8 IS THE REF. # TO WERE THE STATISTIC WAS FOUND) However, the
prognosis for treating testicular tumors is very good owing to a low rate of metastasis9, so testicular cancer
is an uncommon cause of death in intact dogs. For example, in a Purdue University breed health survey of
Golden Retrievers10, deaths due to testicular cancer were sufficiently infrequent that they did not appear on
list of significant causes of "Years of Potential Life Lost for Veterinary Confirmed Cause of Death” even
though 40% of GR males were intact. Furthermore, the GRs who were treated for testicular tumors had a
90.9% cure rate. This agrees well with other work that found 6-14% rates of metastasis for testicular tumors
in dogs11.
The high cure rate of testicular tumors combined with their frequency suggests that fewer than 1% of intact
male dogs will die of testicular cancer.
In summary, though it may be the most common reason why many advocate neutering young male dogs,
the risk from life threatening testicular cancer is sufficiently low that neutering most male dogs to prevent it is
difficult to justify.
An exception might be bilateral or unilateral cryptorchids, as testicles that are retained in the abdomen are
13.6 times more likely to develop tumors than descended testicles12 and it is also more difficult to detect
tumors in undescended testicles by routine physical examination."-SEE ARTICLE

prophecy

our now passed beagle,harley developed prostate tumors at age 6,and we had to neuter him asap. the vet said if he would have been fixed,it never would have happened. so im not sure on that one faber. but from personal exp, its true.

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faber

AND FINALLY.....
-QOUTE--"On balance, it appears that no compelling case can be made for neutering most male dogs, especially
immature male dogs, in order to prevent future health problems. The number of health problems associated
with neutering may exceed the associated health benefits in most cases.
On the positive side, neutering male dogs
• eliminates the small risk (probably <1%) of dying from testicular cancer
• reduces the risk of non-cancerous prostate disorders
• reduces the risk of perianal fistulas
• may possibly reduce the risk of diabetes (data inconclusive)
On the negative side, neutering male dogs
• if done before 1 year of age, significantly increases the risk of osteosarcoma (bone cancer); this is a
common cancer in medium/large and larger breeds with a poor prognosis.
• increases the risk of cardiac hemangiosarcoma by a factor of 1.6
• triples the risk of hypothyroidism
• increases the risk of progressive geriatric cognitive impairment
• triples the risk of obesity, a common health problem in dogs with many associated health problems
• quadruples the small risk (<0.6%) of prostate cancer
• doubles the small risk (<1%) of urinary tract cancers
• increases the risk of orthopedic disorders
• increases the risk of adverse reactions to vaccinations" -SEE ARTICLE



FEEL FREE TO CHECK THE ARTICLES SOURCES- BASICALLY WHEN IT COMES TO MALES- FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH SHORT ATTN. SPANS- STATISTICALLY- NUTURING CAUSES A HIGHER RISK OF MORE DANGEROUS PROBLEMS- AND BEING LEFT INTACTS ISSUES ONLY RAISE LOW LEVEL RISKS FOR EASLY CARED FOR PROBLEMS.

faber

Please Please Please ...if Anyone Can Show Me Scientific Information- Siting Sources- And Statitics- Comparing Nutered And Unutered Males Health Risks Both- That States Otherwise--- Please Tell Me- I Want To Be As Informed As Possible- Like The Rest Of You!