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Old 03-15-2008, 11:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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hey with everyone wanting to get a doberman pup from a good breeder i thought i would make this tread; where you can say who are you top 3 best doberman breeder...

1. i think this is the best breeder in North America Adlercrest Dobermanns

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3. Mondio Dobermanns

i find when many people ask for help finding a breeder they don't really get told what breeders are good just don't buy from so and so kinda thing so heres my list of my top 3 doberman breeders.
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Old 03-15-2008, 11:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm not sure a thread like this is that good of an idea. First off two of the breeder's you listed are working breeder's. While I love good working dogs they don't fit the bill for all. Just as show breeder's don't fit the bill for all.

Furthermore, there are some very good breeder's who breed on a limited basis, thus probably would fly below the radar if most were asked to name the top three, in either working or show dogs.

Lastly, like it or not there are agendas, as well as legitimate different tastes in dogs! And there are some very good breeder's with no websites! JMHO
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I'm not sure a thread like this is that good of an idea. First off two of the breeder's you listed are working breeder's.
And one of them appears to be more involved in brokering dogs than breeding their own.
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I'm not sure a thread like this is that good of an idea...

like it or not there are agendas, as well as legitimate different tastes in dogs! And there are some very good breeder's with no websites! JMHO
I think this hits the nail on the head. A thread like this could start some serious (and un-necessary) drama. I think it would be better to leave this alone.
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hey with everyone wanting to get a doberman pup from a good breeder i thought i would make this tread; where you can say who are you top 3 best doberman breeder...

1. i think this is the best breeder in North America Adlercrest Dobermanns

2. Enter

3. Mondio Dobermanns

i find when many people ask for help finding a breeder they don't really get told what breeders are good just don't buy from so and so kinda thing so heres my list of my top 3 doberman breeders.
And what sort of experiences do you have with these breeders and other breeders that allows you to have so simply narrowed it down and label these three as the "BEST 3 BREEDERS IN N.A.?"

Have you visited them? Visited others? Spent time at shows? Spoken to enough people to formulate this opinion? Had puppies from any of them?

If I remember, someone tried to start this thread a few weeks ago and it was explained then why something like this wouldln't fly.
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And what sort of experiences do you have with these breeders and other breeders that allows you to have so simply narrowed it down and label these three as the "BEST 3 BREEDERS IN N.A.?"

Have you visited them? Visited others? Spent time at shows? Spoken to enough people to formulate this opinion? Had puppies from any of them?

If I remember, someone tried to start this thread a few weeks ago and it was explained then why something like this wouldln't fly.
I agree, myself I could only recommend someone who I had personal experience with.
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this form really has people that like to jump all over people hey?. I would like to know whats wrong with the breeders i listed?. i never said they are the best for everyone but thats my top 3 breeders that i like the best. and none of the breeders i listed are bad breeders. and asking what are other peoples top 3 best breeders so the names of good breeders can get out there to help people wanting to buy a doberman pup. if you guys read my post first i said what is your top 3 best doberman breeder, not these are the best doberman breeders and thats it. if this is the attitude that you will have don't post in this tread, i don't like negative people who try to find fault with everything someone says.
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And one of them appears to be more involved in brokering dogs than breeding their own.
starting false rumors about other breeders isn't a good thing to do. your a breeder yourself right?. what lines do you have that are so much better than the breeders i listed?. i would like to know?. i'm not talking down your breeding, but just want to know what makes you a better breeder and have better lines than the ones i listed?.
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Sorry I got the wrong quote, see post #7 for the quote I should have used here.

I'm not trying to be negative, I'm trying to be practical and realistic. For instance, I too think Adlercrest have bred some great working dogs. But to say they are the best breeder for everyone is not true either. Some want show dogs, some obedience or agility, other's working. Some like me want a combination of show and obedience. And many just want a beloved companion. In the companion category there are also many variables depending on the lifestyle and activity level of the family. Good breeders want their puppies to succeed and will try to determine the most suitable puppy for each individual or send them on to another breeder who can fit that persons needs better.
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starting false rumors about other breeders isn't a good thing to do. your a breeder yourself right?. what lines do you have that are so much better than the breeders i listed?. i would like to know?. i'm not talking down your breeding, but just want to know what makes you a better breeder and have better lines than the ones i listed?.
Mondio [Puppies]

They sure appear to be selling their share of adult dogs they didn't breed on this link. If I'm wrong I certainly am willing to stand corrected, but I seriously doubt they bred Mike Betelgese, for example.

I made no judgement whatsover about the actual breeding programs of the breeders you listed. I have my opinions (in one case it's very good), but I kept my thoughts to myself.
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They sure appear to be selling their share of adult dogs they didn't breed on this link. If I'm wrong I certainly am willing to stand corrected, but I seriously doubt they bred Mike Betelgese, for example.

I made no judgement whatsover about the actual breeding programs of the breeders you listed. I have my opinions (in one case it's very good), but I kept my thoughts to myself.

they don't update there web page i don't believe they have any adults or pups right now. i know people who have there dogs and they are awesome doberman and is at the top my list for my next dobermann as well. they have strong lines you may have your thoughts on them just as i am sure people have different thoughts of yours. but until you know for a fact you shouldn't put thoughts like that about other breeders on forms.
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I'm not trying to be negative, I'm trying to be practical and realistic. For instance, I too think Adlercrest have bred some great working dogs. But to say they are the best breeder for everyone is not true either. Some want show dogs, some obedience or agility, other's working. Some like me want a combination of show and obedience. And many just want a beloved companion. In the companion category there are also many variables depending on the lifestyle and activity level of the family. Good breeders want their puppies to succeed and will try to determine the most suitable puppy for each individual or send them on to another breeder who can fit that persons needs better.
please quote me where i said anything about the breeders i listed being the best dobermans for everyone?. i said what are YOUR top 3 best breeders, NOT this is the top 3 best breeders, there is a BIG difference; so please stop rewording what i said. this could give people looking at buying a dobie some other breeders to look at that are good breeders. everyone just tells to them "ohh go look at the dpca web page", when every breeder in there are not the greatest.
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please quote me where i said anything about the breeders i listed being the best dobermans for everyone?. i said what are YOUR top 3 best breeders, NOT this is the top 3 best breeders, there is a BIG difference; so please stop rewording what i said. this could give people looking at buying a dobie some other breeders to look at that are good breeders. everyone just tells to them "ohh go look at the dpca web page", when every breeder in there are not the greatest.
Well, I have never told anyone to just go look at the DPCA web page, In fact I'm a member of the UDC, which I've linked along with the DPCA page a few times, only for the purposes of a starting points for people. If you go look at my previous posts on this site I think you will find that I have great respect for both working and performance dogs, and believe their titles carry the same weight as a AKC Champion. My fondest dream is for more dogs to achieve both the American Champion status and a high level working or performance title. With that said, I still think there are too many variables involved into what a person wants in a dog to say one breeder is the best, as one shoe just doesn't fit. Also, I have great respect for some breeder's who breed so infrequently that they would not be practical to list to a potential buyer. JMHO and I'm not a breeder.
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A good breeder is any breeder, that really and truly cares about those lives they bring into this world, and will bust their butts, to make sure each and every dog they bring into this world, is 1. Bred out of hopefully healthy parents that were tested for anything that has been pretty much "proven" to be passed on genetically. 2. Is willing to sacrifice: finances, time, SLEEP, to be assured that dog is starting out ready to face the life ahead of them. 3. LEARN from past mistakes, yes, every breeder makes them, but if they learn from them and try to rectify whatever they did and promise themselves, they won't do that (whatever) again! 4. Be willing to make enemies for the sake of the dogs they breed, cause there is always someone that isn't going to agree with what they do, but if it is best for the dog (s) they do it anyway!!! 5. Be willing to take the time and effort to make sure that dog ALWAYS has the best life, if they get an owner wanting to give that dog up/back, no matter how old that dog gets. They will break their necks trying to find another home (if they don't end up keeping the dog themselves) that was BETTER than the one they had in the first place. 6 Will always keep in touch with the people who end up with their dogs, and hope and pray the owner will do the same thing! (even contracts don't help with this, cause I know). Be supportive, and helpful, as much as the owner will allow. 7. Listen to their gutts!! Period!!! 8. Will be reasonable with their prices, and care more for the fact the dog is getting a good home, than making a 200% profit over their expenses. 9. Always sell with contracts, even a basic one, spelling out the dog can never be given to someone else or rehomed, sold or whatever, unless they have the breeders agreement on that, and how the dog will live, and if a pet to be spayed/neutered, and to be given proper vet care, and ANY REPERCUSSIONS that could happen if the contract is breached. And sometimes the breeder may have to follow through even if they find it hard to do so, cause if the breeder has to be accountable to "puppy lemon laws" then the owners should be accountable to the breeders contract! And 10. A good breeder, will know their dogs strengths and weaknesses, and not place a dog/puppy in a home, (just for the money) that they know in their heart is not a compatible combination. Like placing a lively puppy with a person that is quite elderly or is obviously incapable of raising that puppy to be a happy, well adjusted adult, and could cause not only the puppy alot of emotional, trauma, but the owner also.
Those are some of my description of what makes a good breeder, besides the obvious things like not breeding litter after litter, or breeding a bitch until she can't sit down!!, or to young to nurture a litter of demanding, strapping puppies, or having more dogs in their care (just to make money) then they can give individual attention too.
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A good breeder is any breeder, that really and truly cares about those lives they bring into this world, and will bust their butts, to make sure each and every dog they bring into this world, is 1. Bred out of hopefully healthy parents that were tested for anything that has been pretty much "proven" to be passed on genetically. 2. Is willing to sacrifice: finances, time, SLEEP, to be assured that dog is starting out ready to face the life ahead of them. 3. LEARN from past mistakes, yes, every breeder makes them, but if they learn from them and try to rectify whatever they did and promise themselves, they won't do that (whatever) again! 4. Be willing to make enemies for the sake of the dogs they breed, cause there is always someone that isn't going to agree with what they do, but if it is best for the dog (s) they do it anyway!!! 5. Be willing to take the time and effort to make sure that dog ALWAYS has the best life, if they get an owner wanting to give that dog up/back, no matter how old that dog gets. They will break their necks trying to find another home (if they don't end up keeping the dog themselves) that was BETTER than the one they had in the first place. 6 Will always keep in touch with the people who end up with their dogs, and hope and pray the owner will do the same thing! (even contracts don't help with this, cause I know). Be supportive, and helpful, as much as the owner will allow. 7. Listen to their gutts!! Period!!! 8. Will be reasonable with their prices, and care more for the fact the dog is getting a good home, than making a 200% profit over their expenses. 9. Always sell with contracts, even a basic one, spelling out the dog can never be given to someone else or rehomed, sold or whatever, unless they have the breeders agreement on that, and how the dog will live, and if a pet to be spayed/neutered, and to be given proper vet care, and ANY REPERCUSSIONS that could happen if the contract is breached. And sometimes the breeder may have to follow through even if they find it hard to do so, cause if the breeder has to be accountable to "puppy lemon laws" then the owners should be accountable to the breeders contract! And 10. A good breeder, will know their dogs strengths and weaknesses, and not place a dog/puppy in a home, (just for the money) that they know in their heart is not a compatible combination. Like placing a lively puppy with a person that is quite elderly or is obviously incapable of raising that puppy to be a happy, well adjusted adult, and could cause not only the puppy alot of emotional, trauma, but the owner also.
Those are some of my description of what makes a good breeder, besides the obvious things like not breeding litter after litter, or breeding a bitch until she can't sit down!!, or to young to nurture a litter of demanding, strapping puppies, or having more dogs in their care (just to make money) then they can give individual attention too.

yeah thats great and i started this tread in hopes people would name some of the other good breeders that they know of. so people who don't know of them can easily find them. as i hope everyone that buys a doberman or any breed doesn't become a victim of a scam there are tons out there. i would rather a future dobie buyer to buy a working dog from a good breeder over a unhealthy dobie that will live a short life. most working line dobie breeders won't sell a good working dog to be a family dog anyways. but good post retta.
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yeah thats great and i started this tread in hopes people would name some of the other good breeders that they know of. so people who don't know of them can easily find them. as i hope everyone that buys a doberman or any breed doesn't become a victim of a scam there are tons out there. i would rather a future dobie buyer to buy a working dog from a good breeder over a unhealthy dobie that will live a short life. most working line dobie breeders won't sell a good working dog to be a family dog anyways. but good post retta.
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First, there may be performance *and* working dogs, but these aren't them. These are sport dogs, schutzhunh/ring/etc being the sports, that makes them performance dogs the same as obedience competitors or agility competitors, or flyball competitors, or any other kind of sport competitor.

second, at least two of the listed breeders come under that heading, and the third one is featuring show lines, european show lines, not american show lines, but show lines just the same. the connection among the 3 kennels seems to be european bloodlines, not "work" or "sport" or "show".

third, i don't think it's a good or a workable idea for people to *name* thier idea of the 3 best kennels for other people to take as an objective recommendation so they can buy puppies there. because it is subjective to an extent. there are people here who i hve seen recommend breeders as "the best" who i don't think are good at all, and i'm sure some here would think the same thing about some breeders i might like.

beyond that, getting objective, is what genetic health testing is done on breeding dogs and what are the results? what performance and/or temperament certs are obtained on the breeding dogs and dogs produced by the kennels? what is the conformation of the dogs like? these are objective criteria. further, i would not recommend a breeder who didn't have a responsible attitude toward the puppies they bring into the world as far as wanting the best lives for htem and taking responsibility for them to make sure they have the best lives.
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can't you people read something and understand what the words mean?. i said what are YOUR best 3 doberman breeders!. if YOU were getting a doberman what are the 3 breeders YOU would go to. god its like talking to little kids on here sometimes. people are so quick to try and start drama over nothing. just tying to get new buyers some good names of breeders so they don't have to run into a scam breeder. look at the threads on here its new buyers tying to find a good breeder. some people on here just try and find fault with anything they can. these forms are to help people find good breeders!. the 3 breeders i named are working dogs why do you think that?.... maybe its because i work my dogs thats why they are my top 3 best breeders!. i like euro dobies over north american dobies thats why the lines they are are euro dobies. some people need to go back to school.
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There is no such thing as the "best three breeders" as it's subjective.
but there is a such thing as your top 3 breeders as thats your opinion.
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Nope, I disagree. I still don't have a "top 3". Good breeders all have different types and paths and IMO one isn't better than another. It's simply not that black and white.
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Nope, I disagree. I still don't have a "top 3". Good breeders all have different types and paths and IMO one isn't better than another. It's simply not that black and white.
haha and thats YOUR opinion. doesn't mean its right... it might be right for you but for me i have a top breeders that i prefer. if i was looking at buying a doberman that would be my go to list. your telling me you don't have your favorite breeders?. and its not black and white the breeders i listed work for me!. yes that means its not always best for everyone but you can have a top list of breeders. and what don't you disagree on?. i seen you in other post always tying to argue with other people on the form. it gets old....
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I think I understand what your intentions were, and I dont think that you had bad intentions on starting this thread. You just wanted everyone to give a list of what they thought were good breeders. So that maybe people could come to this thread and see some of what would be considered "good breeders" A collective list, maybe. Unfortunately, this has been tried before, and was not successful. What a "good" breeder is to me, might not be a "good" breeder for someone else, or the RIGHT breeder for the type of doberman that you or someone else is looking for.

It has been discussed before here (alot) but maybe a better list, would be things to LOOK for to FIND and identify a good breeder.
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I think I understand what your intentions were, and I dont think that you had bad intentions on starting this thread. You just wanted everyone to give a list of what they thought were good breeders. So that maybe people could come to this thread and see some of what would be considered "good breeders" A collective list, maybe. Unfortunately, this has been tried before, and was not successful. What a "good" breeder is to me, might not be a "good" breeder for someone else, or the RIGHT breeder for the type of doberman that you or someone else is looking for.

It has been discussed before here (alot) but maybe a better list, would be things to LOOK for to FIND and identify a good breeder.

thank you!!!!. its nice to see not everyone jump at me. thats what i was tying to do. there are way too many scam and bad breeders that people get bought into and it should be stop. i understand that not every breeder is right for everyone just like every breed of dog isn't right for everyone. but at least this would give new buyers a list of good breeders to work with and find out what good breeder is right for them.
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god a guy gets crucified for tying to help other people out!
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Hi Canuck!

I don't think most members on here would say I am the argumentative type. In fact, I always like to see both sides when possible!

I will point out something that you are seeming to miss here. The people who have posted have been quite patient with you in this thread. We all understand you are asking members that if they had to name 3 breeders they would purchase a puppy from, who would they be.

The reasons you haven't received one answer to your original question has also been given, but I'll try to clarify it for you.

1. The reason this is a great forum is it isn't about promoting your breeder, or a friend's breeder, or one of the members here on DT that breed.

2. Buying a puppy should be about educating yourself on what qualities you desire in your puppy. Showing, working, obedience, agility or companion. Once you know what you want to do with your dog, then you can start narrowing down the right type of breeders.

3. Many people have come on here and asked for specific opinions on a breeder they are considering and have gotten replies to help them to wards making their own decisions.


There is no list of perfect breeders, no list of the best breeders in the country. Each breeder has their own vision of what they want their puppies to become. One person could love a breeder and another could be less impressed. If you are looking for a Euro dog, and it seems that is they type you are leaning to wards, what are you planning to do with your puppy?

Once you've answered that question, you will be able to research what breeder(s) are the best for what type of dog you are looking for.

I think that you are also starting to be slightly insulting and I really don't see the need for it. All the advise has been given with the best of intensions.

Try to be of open mind, and you will learn much from the members of DT!
I know I have!


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