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Old 03-01-2013, 05:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a few questions about chocolate dobermans. Are they overall healthy? Do their eyes change as they grow older? I'm also wondering if they have any special needs? Lastly, are they a diluted color from the reds?

I want to buy a black doberman with rust markings and a chocolate doberman with rust markings from the same litter, but first I want to make sure owning a chocolate doberman is the right decision.
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I have a few questions about chocolate dobermans. Are they overall healthy? Do their eyes change as they grow older? I'm also wondering if they have any special needs? Lastly, are they a diluted color from the reds?

I want to buy a black doberman with rust markings and a chocolate doberman with rust markings from the same litter, but first I want to make sure owning a chocolate doberman is the right decision.
First I would highly suggest you looking into litter mate syndrome before thinking it is a good ideal to get two from the same litter. Here is another thread that talks about littermate syndrome. There are many threads in here about it too. Here is just one.
Absolutely excellent article on littermate syndrome
Most reputable breeders will NOT sell you two puppies from the same litter btw. What breeder are you looking at?

Also chocolate is not a color if a Doberman; Black, Blue, Fawn and Red are the only colors and then you have the and Albinos.
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It's definitely wise to research before getting any type of breed. I am not a breeder but most people on here own dobermans and are really knowledgable of the breed. As someone else replied there isn't chocolate dobermans there is black, red, fawn and blue (dilutes of red and black) a lot of the dilute colors do have skin and eye issues but I do not have one so I can't really tell you about any problems personally.
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I also do not recommend this breeder above nor know them...all pictures from google images
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From what you've posted, it sounds like there are far more serious concerns about potentially buying from the breeder you've chosen, other than just the color of the puppies.

Red flags include the breeder being willing to sell you littermates (not a recommended deal), the use of the word "chocolate," if they used that term, just screams "not knowledgeable about the Doberman breed," and the fact they seemingly were unable to tell you that yes, all neonate pups do have some eye color change.

Mostly they start out with greenish to blueish eyes, that *should* darken, according to the breed standard, as they grow over the next few months.

If someone is trying to use "blue eyes" or "green eyes" as a sales tactic, just run far away and do not look back. That's either a shyster, or someone too dumb to be pairing up animals for reproduction in the first place.

This breed is very beloved on this board, but no one with experience here will tell you it's an easy breed, nor a very healthy one.

You want to buy from a breeder who has tested each and every animal they use in their program, at least annually, with an echocardiogram and holter monitor, for heart disease. You want to see them doing liver panels and thyroid panels, having the dogs' eyes CERF'd, having hips cert'd by OFA or PennHip, at about two years of age.

You want to see them "walking the walk," behind all the talk, and proving their dogs have something to offer, as far as breeding them, by competing with their dogs.

The best "just a pet" dogs come from breeders who do all of the above, and more.
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Thank you very much for the information you provided.

I don't know much about dobermans, but I owe it to myself, and my significant other to read as much as I can before finding the right breeder. I understand that puppy mills and backyard breeders are an enormous problem. There are disgusting people out there, who will jump at the chance of making an easy profit, marketing and selling ill bred albino and chocolate dobermans "desirable" or "rare". I don't want to make that mistake.

As far as buying two from the same litter, I have to agree it's a bad idea. Would you suggest two female dobermans from different breeders? I'm asking because we have a male German Shepherd and we're hoping to avoid the dreaded alpha pack hierarchy.

My thinking is, we get two submissive females to cut the risk of territorial issues with the male Shepherd. At least, that's what I'm hoping for.

One more question, do the reds have any health problems?
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You can buy two females from the same breeder but you should wait at least a year, probably closer to two. You don't want to raise multiple puppies together period. They will bond to each other instead of you, plus one puppy is enough to keep you busy.

All dobermans CAN end up with health problems regardless of color. Blacks and reds are the "healthy" ones. Blues and fawns are generally healthy but most have alopecia and will lose their hair as they hit maturity. Albinos are the ones you want to stay away from.
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1) stop saying chocolate...unless you have some

2) getting 2 puppies in general is why littermate syndrome was brought up. ONE puppy at a time unless you can dedicate a ton! and i mean a lot! of time to having them grow up seperately and not end up physically dependent and more attached to each other and even your other dog than you

3) black or red and tans have the same health issues as any doberman, the dilutes are the same with the addition of cda which is a skin/coat issue.

4) where are you located? getting out to some local shows and talking to those in the breed is one of the best ways to learn!

Please do some research in general, here's a few links.

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Thank you very much for the information you provided.

I don't know much about dobermans, but I owe it to myself, and my significant other to read as much as I can before finding the right breeder. I understand that puppy mills and backyard breeders are an enormous problem. There are disgusting people out there, who will jump at the chance of making an easy profit, marketing and selling ill bred albino and chocolate dobermans "desirable" or "rare". I don't want to make that mistake.

As far as buying two from the same litter, I have to agree it's a bad idea. Would you suggest two female dobermans from different breeders? I'm asking because we have a male German Shepherd and we're hoping to avoid the dreaded alpha pack hierarchy.

My thinking is, we get two submissive females to cut the risk of territorial issues with the male Shepherd. At least, that's what I'm hoping for.

One more question, do the reds have any health problems?
Thank you for correcting "chocolate" to "red"... I can't tell you how many people complement me on my "chocolate" doberman... HE IS RED, DARNNIT! Red and rust- not tan!!... (end rant).

As far as I know, Reds have no more health issues than Blacks. It is the Blue and Fawn dobermans that can suffer from CDA (color dilution alopecia).

Any dog can suffer from health issues. This breed isn't exactly your most healthy breed. I suggest you consult the DPCA.org site about health, temperaments and versatility of the breed. They also have a breeder referral, however, just because those breeders have made it to the list DOES NOT MEAN they are a good breeder so please consult us with the breeder(s) you choose when you are ready.
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Please read this; it's an excellent article on why two puppies at once (or two dogs of similar age/gender/type) is a BAD idea (Mods, feel free to edit the link out if necessary, wanted to give credit where credit is due!):
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Thanks very much for everyone’s advice on getting puppies from the same litter. That was something neither I or my partner were aware of so definitely useful stuff.

We definitely plan to do a LOAD more research before getting our dogs (gotta be responsible, of course), we had thought of going to see breeders directly as well (and visiting shows) once we move over to England so that should give some handy insights as well.

Many thanks again for all your helpful advice, I can see people here are both knowledgeable and passionate about their animals which is awesome. Me and my partner are currently passionate but not especially knowledgeable

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haha I had someone ask me one day at Petco "is that a chocolate doberman?" to which I replied, " no, its a red doberman, chocolate is a lab color"
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Just stay here and read read read! This site has a lot to offer, like people who've been in dobermans for decades.

A good place to start is to hit shows, take names down of the dogs you like-go home & research those breeders you spoke with & whose dogs you liked.

Below in my signature are some very handy links once you come up with some names. You should be commended for not having taken the leap just yet- but researching first.
Do yourself and your future dobe a favor by sticking around here before making a decision. Anything less invites untold heartbreak.
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oh & I should have said...just because you attend a show doesn't mean you have to get a show dog & show it- there are usually pet quality in most litters. Figure out who is doing right by this breed and get on a list to be considered.
What you want is someone who cares about the health of the breed and not just ribbons...hence the links below.
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In Europe the red Dobermann would be called a brown.
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I did not know that. Are they interchangeable or just brown?


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I have to agree.. I sold 2 littermates to one home (against my better judgement) and it was on a trial bases..Well after 2 mths i went and bought one back! It is very hard to raise 2 together and I warned this home But they tried and tried to make me see so I had to let them see lol They wont be doing that again..
Now I have 3 littermates that i kept because I dont breed often and just want to have fun with my puppies in the ring and not have to think about breeding again for a few yrs ;-)
But I can tell you its TON'S of work! and I know what i'm doing lol
And no "Red" dobermans are no more likely to get anymore health issues then the blacks... All dobermans suffer from the same health issues so dont be fooled by any breeder saying differant. See all paper work of health testing.
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The reason I have Bugs is due to littermate syndrome. The girls were fine till about 5 months old. Plus - TWO doberteens??? ACK!!! LOL
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What do you mean by dreaded alpha-pack hierarchy? Is this the reason you're set on two dobermans?
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Great information there Q734, thanks very much! Weíre very new to this so yeah, we want to do the right thing for the dogs and itís a massive help to be able to speak to people with far greater experience/knowledge.

Thankyou for the health info feverone, Itís very good to know theyíre no more prone to health issues.

MsMoppett Ė I meant we want to avoid dominance issues in the ďpackĒ we end up with. I know that responsibility for this lies with us as we need to be the pack leaders, itís just our German Shepherd is already quite a strong willed, dominant type (in terms of personality). We donít want to make things harder on the dogs (or ourselves) than we have to by bringing in more dogs with dominant personalities, and it sounds like buying two from the same litter ends up causing one to become more dominant and the other more submissive (unless Iím misunderstanding?).
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We definitely plan to do a LOAD more research before getting our dogs (gotta be responsible, of course), we had thought of going to see breeders directly as well (and visiting shows) once we move over to England so that should give some handy insights as well.
If you are planning on getting a pup once you move to England, you may want to contact Amelia, a member here. She will be able to point you in the right direction of good breeders over here. Her two dobes Rupert & Aspen are just beautiful.

I can't offer any help with breeders, my dobe is a rescue. Have you considered going down that route? There's always dobes in need of forever homes & an older dobe is far less hassle than a puppy.
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Welcome to the forum! Where abouts in England are you moving?

We have some great breeders and some great rescues over here, and loads of shows you can visit with dobe classes.

If you've got any questions at all, please feel free to drop me a PM
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I have to agree.. I sold 2 littermates to one home (against my better judgement) and it was on a trial bases..Well after 2 mths i went and bought one back! It is very hard to raise 2 together and I warned this home But they tried and tried to make me see so I had to let them see lol They wont be doing that again..
Now I have 3 littermates that i kept because I dont breed often and just want to have fun with my puppies in the ring and not have to think about breeding again for a few yrs ;-)
But I can tell you its TON'S of work! and I know what i'm doing lol
And no "Red" dobermans are no more likely to get anymore health issues then the blacks... All dobermans suffer from the same health issues so dont be fooled by any breeder saying differant. See all paper work of health testing.
JHMO
I am raising two "together" but I use that term loosely. The first year of thier lives is going to be spent separated so they can each develop thier own personalities and bond with me. I won't even let them run or play together. It's really hard but I don't want one to end up being the whipping post. They both need to have that self confidence!
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The color we call red and Europe (actually most of the rest of the world) calls brown are genetically actually brown. And the color range is from bright copper to dark mahogany. The genetics are the same--genetically Dobes are "brown".
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My apologies for the late reply.

JobeyV Ė Thatís a really good suggestion, itís one we have both talked a little about actually. So yeah thatís definitely something we would consider (just still in the discussion period at the moment).
Amelia Ė We havenít settled on a location yet, but weíre looking south, possibly somewhere on the outskirts of London or even all the way down in Hampshire. Thankyou so much, thatís very kind of you and I have no doubt we will have many more questions over time, especially once we get more firmly settled on a location etc. Very glad I found this place.
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