Yes, but those are the kind of dogs that would probably be good starter dogs in IPO if their owners were so inclined. There are just a lot less people doing IPO than agility. There are so few, if any, IPO clubs in certain parts of the country and it does take longer to get the "finished " .product
A lot of people just don't have time to drive 2+ hours one way to a club, be there 6 hrs, drive home, once or twice a week.
I think where we disagree with this is in our opinion of what makes a "good starter dog" in IPO. I used to say I was glad I had Zeus to get involved with because we could do tracking and learn obedience from an easier to live with dog. But after becoming enamored into the sport, every single day, it kills me that I have opportunities left and right to own a sport dog (for free as well) and I can not do that because I have a male pet. I absolutely love my dog more than anything, but I am 100% in love with the sport, and not being able to own a dog that is really going to 'bring it' on the schutzhund field yet is tough. I am in a very 'lucky' position to choose a bitch to train and title. If I did not have that option, this would be a very tough next couple of years due to wanting a schutzhund dog, having all of the resources available to really train and compete hard, and not being able to do such.
At first, it is fun regardless. Then it is frustrating
to never make any progress. It is tiring
to continually have to build a dog. It is more frustrating when you see other dogs succeeding well
and improving much faster than yourself. It is disheartening
to go through that as a handler/trainer. When you have worked and worked on a dog, and then you never get passed a certain point, it begins to wear on you. People begin to think it is their
training abilities because someone once told them "any dog with drive can do it", and therefore when their dog is not
doing it, they take it out on themselves.
My club is extremely nice to beginners and catering towards dogs who just simply do not have it. (Many rescues of many breeds train with us). The decoy and trainer are nice and say "We will continue working the dog for as long as you and him/her enjoy it". Having said this, the amount of disappointment they all begin feeling after a year or so is immense. One man who was very active in GSD rescue and tried it with FOUR different rescued GSDs, finally caved this year and bought a Dutch shepherd from a reputable breeder. He is a very patient older man, but to see his face now when he does absolutely anything
with his Dutchie girl explains it all. She has all of the potential in the world, and everything he does with her is easier and more enjoyable.
Another man who two dobermans. They are from BYB Euro show lines and a breeder that pumped him full of lies. The male basically has nothing as far as potential goes. The female has a lot of drive to work, please, and a decent amount of prey drive. She has not made progress in over a year after hitting a plateau around 15 months. He has now given up on both of them sport wise, but because he can not own another dog (especially a working line doberman) at the time, he is desperately trying to become a certified decoy. He got hooked to the sport, but the only way he can currently enjoy the sport is by training as a decoy. His overall outlook on training diminished every week, and it was sad because he had so many goals, ideas, plans, etc that he wanted to do, and his dog's genetics did not even allow
him to "try".
Point being, I have seen people that could not even "try to have fun" dabbling in the sport of schutzhund.
Could these dogs dabble in agility? Yes. Could they have fun in agility? Yes. Would they be good competitors? Who knows, probably not. But unlike with IPO, they would at least be able to do something