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Old 12-11-2012, 08:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Expensive "pet" puppies

Came across this site on a search today.
Their pups are pretty pricey considering they are pet dogs
with no signs of proving their breeding stock by show or
competition & no signs of health testing Perhaps it includes
the price of ear cropping?

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Nothing about there website makes me interested at all... for $2,500 in the midwest you're usually buying a show quality puppy you plan to show out of thoroughly health tested parents with proven titles on them and their ancestors, this breeder may have and do that but then why not tout it? usually if it's not on the site "it ain't been done."
Pet quality who are just going to a regular or maybe obed/agility house are between $1,500-1,800 on average in the area. The east coast tends to be in the 2k range as average and west coast can be either end of the price range from what I've seen.

what makes you interested in this breeder?
are you currently looking?
Are you willing to ship/travel? from how far?

let us know what your plans for your puppy are and what you are looking for and the members here should be able to point you toward some much better breeders near you.
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You know what really bugs me about these websites? It's bad enough they apparently only breed to be breeding, but they don't even bother to take the zapper collars off the dogs for pictures. For some reason, that just gets on my nerves.
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from their website.............

" All of our puppies are raised indoors to assure you of a healthy well socialized puppy. They are loved and played with every day. We sale to Indoor Pet homes only. If you would like Full Registration Please let me know."....................
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WTF..almost all the pics have the dogs wearing shock collars....I hate those things. Poor dogs.
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Came across this site on a search today.
Their pups are pretty pricey considering they are pet dogs
with no signs of proving their breeding stock by show or
competition & no signs of health testing Perhaps it includes
the price of ear cropping?
No. It's not because they include price of ear cropping. Throughout most of the midwest you'd be looking at around $1,500 - $2,000 for a pet pup, cropped and docked, from champion, health-tested parents and a pedigree full of dogs you could research and track down COD's on.

For $2,500 - $3,000 in most of the midwest you'd be buying a c/d show prospect from AKC titled and health tested parents.

I'd stay far, far, far away from the breeder you linked.

Are you in the market for a pup? Do you need help locating a good breeder? I'm sure members can refer you to plenty of good, responsible breeders in the midwest who will be having litters in the upcoming spring.
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I was getting this site as a pop up advert when i visit sites that had nothing to do with pets. Which really bothered me since it showed up soon after i had lost one of my dobes.
I would not buy from them but the pictures on their sites are nice and they do try to tell a story. I only hope the integrity of their dogs are good!
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Black/Rust puppies are on sale until the 15th but the Red/Rust puppies aren't. Oh! And they'll hold onto the puppies until Christmas Eve so you can give your child a Christmas puppy. Joy!


Perhaps well intentioned but this is most definitely a BYB and not a breeder that I would give my money too. You're paying far too much for far too little.
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It is really sickening to see what some of these bybers charge for puppies when they put hardly anything into them. No titles, barely any health testing, no searching for the best match for their bitch. THEN they charge more for a "pet" than a good breeder - and of course people think they are getting a good dog because they paid so much for it. Sad.
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Oh no, I definitely am not considering this breeder at all. I came across it while searching for some other doberman related topic I believe. I posted it, because it was crazy to see them charging that much for a pup that the parents aren't even tested or shown, and you can get a quality pup for that much or less, & the price is so high with them because of the costs they incur with shows, stud fees, health testing that they don't always make even. That's another thing that is sad, she is probably raking in some cash since she doesn't incur any of those costs, she breeds in house obviously (her stud & dams she owns) The pedigrees don't show any champions, doesn't look like she shows, etc. I was being a bit sarcastic a bit when I stated that the price was high because of the cropping fees. I live in Wisconsin, so when the time comes in the next couple years I will most likely be looking to get a pup from Element, A-List or even Bruda to be honest.
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That said I can't say that she ISN'T showing or testing, but it doesn't appear to be like she is...
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It does not look like a shock collar, it looks like a petsafe or invisible fence collar. I have invisible fence and it looks like what I use.
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It does not look like a shock collar, it looks like a petsafe or invisible fence collar. I have invisible fence and it looks like what I use.
The last time I looked, both Petsafe and Invisible Fence used collars that give the dog a "stimulation" (in other word, a zap) if they get too close to the boundary. Whether they are bark collars, boundary collars, or just a regular training collar, they are zapper collars. Would it kill people to take the darn things off to take a picture of the dog for the website?
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I would rather have them get one "zap" as you put it than hit by a car, I don't really see to much difference as I also contain my horse by an electric fence above ground and have had my gsd's tail hit that fence it again only took once for him to learn if you go there keep your tail down.
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I would rather have them get one "zap" as you put it than hit by a car
Rosemary wasn't saying that they shouldn't use the collars at all but, instead, was asking (rhetorically) why they don't take the collars off for the pictures. Especially as a breeder, pictures on your website are supposed to say "look at how great these dogs are" and to me, a shock/zapper collar does not make me say, "wow! what beautifully and probably well trained dogs!"


ETA: I'd probably have the same question if almost every dog in almost every picture had a prong collar on. I have nothing against prong collars and have one for my own dog but it doesn't make for the best picture accessory.
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I would rather have them get one "zap" as you put it than hit by a car, I don't really see to much difference as I also contain my horse by an electric fence above ground and have had my gsd's tail hit that fence it again only took once for him to learn if you go there keep your tail down.
Totally having a different conversation with yourself, than the one going on.

The point Rosemary was making is that this breeder puts so little effort and thought into pictures of their breeding animals for their own website that they can't be arsed to do better than put up casual shots with big, clunky unattractive zap collars on them.

Way to properly present an animal.

Not that pro shots of them would make this a good breeder, just sayin' it's one more way to sort the wheat from the chaff.
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Thank you, Patchwork and RFR. That is exactly what I mean. If I go to the website of a show breeder, I expect to see win pictures and some casual "around the house" pictures. For a working breeder, I expect to see pictures of the dogs being worked and some casual "around the house" pictures. However, when all you see are casual "around the house" pictures, it is very irritating to see zapper collars on the dogs. It's one thing for the dogs to wear them, it quite another to see them in almost every picture.
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WTF..almost all the pics have the dogs wearing shock collars....I hate those things. Poor dogs.
This is what was said, I did not miss understand, she did not say taking off the collars for photos. I think this is way people miss understand here on what people are saying, because it's not what was typed! Not to start anything, just food for future thoughts..........
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You may have responded to Kekly but your next post, your clarifying post, came after Rosemary's response which made the reactions quite logical. If you want to be more easily understood perhaps you should, more often, quote what you were responding to.
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