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Old 11-29-2012, 11:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I would like to thank those of you for your nice comments I appreciate them. But due to some poor sportsmanship comments by others, thank you to whomever forwarded the email that my puppies were called GARBAGE in.

****Email comments.....alas .. the disaster. where are the angulation of the front legs ... and you like .. lol lol lol lol lol ... policies alone .. this puppies are some garbage.

Well if we look at the front angulation.long arm. short blade.

but this anomaly is normal for American Doberman .. so jumping up and down front leg .. and not advancing in the field ... angulated and bones without proportionally****

We need to remember that there is NO PERFECT DOG but there are people who love them and they are someone pets.

So I will not be posting pictures on this forum anymore, I have watched the rude comments by others over they years as they scare away people rather then help and should not be surprise that it is my turn to fall victim to it.
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I am really sorry that you are dealing with this. So sad that because of a few we will be missing out.

Your babies are adorable, and I hope you keep posting on facebook. I am excited to see those 8 week stacked pics
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Old 11-29-2012, 12:11 PM   #3 (permalink)
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This email is from FLORIN at k9 bodyguard. I know, because he sent me the exact same email......



On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:26:31 -0500, Florin Niculescu <florin@bodyguardk9.com> wrote:


Well if we look at the front angulation.long arm. short blade.


but this anomaly is normal for American Doberman .. so jumping up and down front leg .. and not advancing in the field ... angulated and bones without proportionally ... .On 2012-11-29, at 10:19 AM, Maura Reilly wrote:


first, they are 5 weeks old. And the black bitch is VERY nice. Maybe not what you like, but she is well put together. What do you mean, you don't like her shoulder layback?


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On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:15:27 -0500, Florin Niculescu <florin@bodyguardk9.com> wrote:

5wk baby stacks - Sookie x Alex, alas .. the disaster. where are the angulation of the front legs ... and you like .. lol lol lol lol lol ... policies alone .. this puppies are some garbage.


You know, there are plenty of jealous people out there that will never appreciate your breeding plans and will be jealous of your success. You have to have THICK SKIN. And you also don't jump on the email attack the person who you think said this. Why you think I wrote it I have no idea.
Besides I actually know how to speak properly. Jeesh and I was one of the people that really loved your black bitch, but whatever. Good luck with your litter.
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I recognise this person's name as someone who always posts nasty things about people's dogs on facebook groups, especially people from this forum when they post show pictures of their dogs. Things along the lines of 'lol lol lol american rubbish stupid light colouring lol lol lol crap lol lol black greyhound lol lol lol' to be honest, I doubt for a second that they are actually a real person. I would let the idiotic ramblings of some troll wash away like water off a ducks back. I do not think for a second that the members on this forum would give him the time of day, I'm sorry you feel that way.
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I'm sorry you're going through this, the photos you posted may have been of very young WIGGLY pups, but it was easy to see their quality. The comments made were not only uncalled for, but completely unfounded. Good luck with your litter.
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Thanks Maura. I really value you opinion and consider us dog show friends!! This Florin Niculescu <florin@bodyguardk9.com has some nerve and should go to the source rather than sending emails and making it look like the comments are coming from others.

This person should have just posted their comments on the pictures on here if that was the opinion. Everyone has an opinion just like an a$$hole and all Florin did is prove they were one
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I know I probably don't have any right for commenting on this, but since I have joined this forum I have seen alot of negative or like a scolding to some who ask questions or need help with something. Seems that there is alot of friendship among the show people but not so much acceptance to people like me, just a pet owner who dearly loves their animals, and just want to share stories or ask questions no matter how trivial it is for those who know alot about the breed. I have had some very nice experiences here though, and just want to make friends and feel like I belong. I haven't put pics on here partly cuz I have printer issues, but scared of criticizim too. and, maybe I wouldn't have that since I am not showing. I have learned alot since I got my girl 7 yrs ago, and I know the breeder I got her from is not doing alot of things right, but I don't want to disclose where she came from for reasons like this.

Please don't think I am lashing out, I am not, I just thought you might like to know how a newcomer feels. I appreciate all help from those who have reached out to me and I love all the pictures of your dogs and reading your stories. Just thought I would say something so maybe it would help. Thanks for listening.
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That person is a class-less idiot and I truly hope you don't let him get to you because that is his intent. He is nothing but a troll looking to pick fights. Your puppies are lovely (I adore the black bitch) and I for one would love to see 5, 6, 7, and 8 week stacked pics. It truly helps novices like myself to see how conformation changes.
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I know I probably don't have any right for commenting on this, but since I have joined this forum I have seen alot of negative or like a scolding to some who ask questions or need help with something. Seems that there is alot of friendship among the show people but not so much acceptance to people like me, just a pet owner who dearly loves their animals, and just want to share stories or ask questions no matter how trivial it is for those who know alot about the breed. I have had some very nice experiences here though, and just want to make friends and feel like I belong. I haven't put pics on here partly cuz I have printer issues, but scared of criticizim too. and, maybe I wouldn't have that since I am not showing. I have learned alot since I got my girl 7 yrs ago, and I know the breeder I got her from is not doing alot of things right, but I don't want to disclose where she came from for reasons like this.

Please don't think I am lashing out, I am not, I just thought you might like to know how a newcomer feels. I appreciate all help from those who have reached out to me and I love all the pictures of your dogs and reading your stories. Just thought I would say something so maybe it would help. Thanks for listening.
Yes, some members can be highly critical, but I think that in part comes from their passion. Like you, my girl was sold to me to be a companion - the closest she'll see to showing is maybe agility, and that depends on how she ends up doing in training. I'm criticized here from time to time because I do things differently from other members, but I've also learned quite a bit in the process. I'm never afraid to post questions or photos.

It's good that you do recognize that the person you bought from isn't doing it properly - that hurts the breed as a whole. The problem is that people tend to be hard-headed and think that buying from a BYB is "good enough" for a companion animal and will not listen to people urging them to purchase from someone who truly cares about the breed rather than "puppies are cute and make money". I do understand your "wanting to feel like you belong". An internet community can be difficult to break into at first - especially when many of the members have met one another in-person at show venues. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't contribute - I encourage you to

The forwarded email the OP is describing is completely uncalled for. I don't know much about conformation, but I can typically spot when something is off. The pics she posted are of two wriggling puppies that you can tell are barely standing still - and to me, they both look like they're developing well.
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Fortheloveofadoberman, I agree!! We all started somewhere. My first dobe was out of the newspaper for $300 almost 15 yrs ago. I tried for years to get information on showing and getting correct dog and is was un uphill battle until I finally came across my breeder and joined a DPC club 3 hrs from home. It's a shame that people don't want to share their knowledge for others to learn from. There is alot of good info on DT just gotta weed thru the BS sometimes

I will be posting the pics on my FB page as they grow so if we are not FB friends already fill free to message me and I will add you!! My skin has grown thick over my few years of showing But it still seems to shock my how mean doberman people can be!!
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Awwwww..... Melissa, Just flip 'em the bird and continue on. Your puppies are very nice and I too am excited to see the 8 week stacked photos. Actually, I would like to see them in the flesh at 8 weeks.... but I will contact you privately about that.
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Please don't deprive the rest of us of your cute puppy pics! I didn't comment on the other thread cuz I don't know jack about stacked puppies and conformation... But I think red male is a stunner, and I want to see more of them as they continue to grow!
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:17 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Melissa. Do you dare worry. This is someone who does not matter. They are not here in America. So who cares. Honestly who is really listening to them?? If anyone is listening to them then they are the same type of people. People who do not matter.
The puppies are beautiful babies and to young for real critiques. EVERYONE knows that you can not grade a puppy at such a young age. They have a beautiful strong multicountry pedigree that contains some of the top dogs in those countries.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:39 AM   #18 (permalink)
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<quote>but I think that in part comes from their passion.<quote>

Passion does not and should not excuse bad manners.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:43 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Screw the idiot. I would very much like to continue to see puppy pics as they progress.
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Old 11-30-2012, 10:50 AM   #20 (permalink)
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That Florin guy is a nutbar. He is a complete non-entity and nobody respects him. Post your photos and don't worry about what some deranged person says.
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Old 12-01-2012, 12:30 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Melissa, I do hope you still post pics of your babies. :-) don't let one rotten apple ruin it for the rest....
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I also hope you continue to post pictures! I know nothing about conformation and figure the more I see, the more I'll learn! And who doesn't like seeing cute baby dobes!?

Ignore the idiot, there's always someone that wants to make people feel badly for reason!
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:09 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Hey. Don't let one jerk ruin Ur fun. Everyone loves looking at puppy pics. Let us enjoy them with u.
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:47 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Ugh. Why do you think I never shared photos of my litter on DT? Just wasn't worth the drama. Sorry you're getting attacked.
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