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Ash_fable · 11-20-2012, 09:56 PM

I came across this breeder and I really like the attributes they're breeding for. Has anybody ever gotten a dog from here before? I think this is where I'll get my dog when the time's right. Some of the studs are gorgeous.

Just looking for some reviews. There were tons of good testimonials on their website.

Thanks, everyone.

tnh317 · 11-20-2012, 10:00 PM

zorianak · 11-20-2012, 10:04 PM

Number one? What do they have to back this up, exactly? Titles in IPO (given that they are selling them as "protection dogs")? What about health testing? I see they state that one of them titled in IPO in Germany, but don't list any specific titles. Plus, a single BoB some show which is not even listed does not mean that he matches conformation standards - for all we know, he could've been one out of two dogs.

Super sized? No. AKC has a certain standard FOR A REASON.

No mention of health tests on their dogs at all - plus that is a LOT of dogs. What is their DCM status? OFA/hip dysplasia status? vWD?

One of them doesn't even have a proper crop - she has pockets, so she was never posted properly.

Also, a female dog should NOT be 90lbs, nor should a male be 115lbs.

These are ALL things you need to look at when trying to find a breeder.

You have come to a great place to get referrals to breeders who will get you what you are looking for!

**PatchworkRobot** · 11-20-2012, 10:04 PM

There are a bunch of threads on them here and they are not regarded as a reputable breeder, in my experience. What attributes of theirs do you like?

A dog being larger than it's supposed to be (superior oversized) is bad - the extra size puts extra weight on them and it can actually be pretty detrimental. The doberman is meant to function as a medium-sized dog.

ZeldaRules · 11-20-2012, 10:05 PM

Are you wanting a superior sized Doberman?

AlyssaN · 11-20-2012, 10:07 PM

Reputable breeders - for new folks

Please stick around and wait before making your decision. It doesn't take very long on this site to figure out how to spot a bad breeder and how to spot a good one. If you start a thread stating where you are located there are a number of people on here who will help you find a good breeder.

That is not a good breeder.

Rosemary · 11-20-2012, 10:17 PM

I love this question from their FAQ page (bold is mine). "Q. I have always heard that the Doberman Pinscher was a viscous dog, is that true?"

I've met some pretty slippery dogs in my times, but never a viscous one. That wasn't the only typo I saw on their website, just the funniest.

Also, what the other posters have said, no health testing mentioned, and bragging about over sized dogs.

**EmilyB** · 11-20-2012, 10:21 PM

Most of the dobermans I have known are pretty viscous actually.....

Brianne29 · 11-20-2012, 10:30 PM

Sometimes I think that there should just be a Desert Legend sticky.

RottenVonSpotten · 11-20-2012, 11:35 PM

As a Great Dane and Doberman lover, it kills me to see Dobermans advertised as "superior" or "oversized" - 115 lbs is the size of my Great Dane, mind you. Generally, the larger the dog, the shorter the lifespan. The Doberman was developed to be MEDIUM sized breed and for a breeder to focus solely on size is extremely off putting and selfish. The goal of a breeder should be to breed the healthiest specimen. Breeding superior or oversized dog is the complete opposite of this goal. If you want a big dog with a short lifespan, buy a
Great Dane or an Irish Wolfhound.

This breeder is nothing short of greedy in my opinion. I'd suggest finding a breeder that is genuinely concerned about the quality of dog they are producing.

/rant.

**Brandy&Melanie** · 11-21-2012, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RottenVonSpotten

As a Great Dane and Doberman lover, it kills me to see Dobermans advertised as "superior" or "oversized" - 115 lbs is the size of my Great Dane, mind you. Generally, the larger the dog, the shorter the lifespan. The Doberman was developed to be MEDIUM sized breed and for a breeder to focus solely on size is extremely off putting and selfish. The goal of a breeder should be to breed the healthiest specimen. Breeding superior or oversized dog is the complete opposite of this goal. If you want a big dog with a short lifespan, buy a
Great Dane or an Irish Wolfhound.

The bolded statement times a billion!! Their website is quite horrifying.. Number one breeder in the United States? Yikes..

If I were them, I would be embarrassed of the job done on a lot of the crops and docks I am seeing in the photo gallery..

You don't even have to look at the website, the URL of the website says it all!!!

Run away fast!

**PatchworkRobot** · 11-21-2012, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Brandy&Allison

Number one breeder in the United States? Yikes

Oh, you didn't know? If you declare something yourself its automatically true, no proof needed.

I'm the #1 equestrian in the world. My zebra and I compete/win in all disciplines of the sport.
Trust me on this. I put it on the internet so now its true.

**Brandy&Melanie** · 11-21-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PatchworkRobot

Oh, you didn't know? If you declare something yourself its automatically true, no proof needed.

I'm the #1 equestrian in the world. My zebra and I compete/win in all disciplines of the sport.
Trust me on this. I put it on the internet so now its true.

LOL! I am sitting in music history dreading my day, and this made it a little better! If DL Dobermans are the best breeders in the US, then I am the number one music history student in Canada! Hehe

Ash_fable · 11-21-2012, 12:07 PM

Don't worry, I'm not going to leap into anything. That's why I came here.

I was looking for a recommended breeder list but I didn't see one, so I figured I should ask about one of the one's I was looking at. But then I saw someone posted a link to some, so I'll check that out.

The "super-sized" thing appealed to me, but the main reason I was looking at them was because they talked a good bit about how they've been good guard/protection dogs, and that's what I'm looking for. But I'm sure there are a lot more good breeders who specialize in that area also.

I'm extremely serious about animals and where I acquire them from. As for where I'm located, I'm in Utah. But really, distance isn't an issue at all, so it's almost not worth mentioning. For the right pup from the right breeder, I'll travel or have it shipped.

Rallypup87 · 11-21-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tnh317

don't mean to interrupt the thread but I laughed for a good 2 minutes when I saw this!

AlyssaN · 11-21-2012, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ash_fable

The "super-sized" thing appealed to me, but the main reason I was looking at them was because they talked a good bit about how they've been good guard/protection dogs, and that's what I'm looking for.

Good guard dogs come from even little 50 pound dobermen. The look, the bark, the teeth. Those are things that keep people away. Honestly, if someone walked into my house at night and heard Murphy's bark they would probably walk right back out. He's scary when he's on guard!

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Originally Posted by Ash_fable

But I'm sure there are a lot more good breeders who specialize in that area also.

No. There are no good breeders that specialize in over-sized dobermen. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but a good breeder understands the problems that are associated with over-sized dogs and know better.

Here's a read to keep you busy.
"King" or "Oversized" dobe's

zorianak · 11-21-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PatchworkRobot

Oh, you didn't know? If you declare something yourself its automatically true, no proof needed.

I'm the #1 equestrian in the world. My zebra and I compete/win in all disciplines of the sport.
Trust me on this. I put it on the internet so now its true.

By this logic, Jaina is the perdiest dog ever!

Ash_fable · 11-21-2012, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AlyssaN

No. There are no good breeders that specialize in over-sized dobermen. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but a good breeder understands the problems that are associated with over-sized dogs and know better.

Here's a read to keep you busy.
"King" or "Oversized" dobe's

No, no. Not the over-sized ones. I was talking about there being good breeders who emphasize guarding and protection work in their lines.

AlyssaN · 11-21-2012, 12:34 PM

Ooooh, so sorry. It's a natural instinct for the breed to be protective. Don't you worry about that!

dobedream · 11-21-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ash_fable

No, no. Not the over-sized ones. I was talking about there being good breeders who emphasize guarding and protection work in their lines.

I'm no expert, but I think there is a difference between a guard dog and a personal protection dog.
If you want your dog to protect you, a Dobe will do that naturally.
I don't believe a Dobe is suited to being left to guard property alone for long periods of time.
Good luck in your search!

**PatchworkRobot** · 11-21-2012, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dobedream

I don't believe a Dobe is suited to being left to guard property alone for long periods of time.
Good luck in your search!

You're right. They are not nor were they ever bred to do that.

I can not think of a reputable breeder that focuses their program on guard dogs.

ajp240 · 11-21-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ash_fable

No, no. Not the over-sized ones. I was talking about there being good breeders who emphasize guarding and protection work in their lines.

I guess my concern is getting a living creature to be your guard/protector...there are objects and training for yourself that can achieve that.

Rosemary · 11-21-2012, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PatchworkRobot

Oh, you didn't know? If you declare something yourself its automatically true, no proof needed.

I'm the #1 equestrian in the world. My zebra and I compete/win in all disciplines of the sport.
Trust me on this. I put it on the internet so now its true.

By that logic, Ilka is the top obedience dog in the country, and so far ahead of all the other dogs on points that she's off the charts.

Ash_fable · 11-21-2012, 02:03 PM

I suppose I'm mainly wanting a personal protection dog. It would be nice if while the dog was outside (certainly not for long periods of time) it would "guard" the property. I've looked at livestock guardian dogs, and sheesh! They can be intense! I'd more like something that can make a great, protective pet while at the same time could look intimidating when it was in the yard with me.

What attracted me to the dobe was their beauty, their loyalty, and their trainability. I really like their natural protection instincts. I'll be living in the country, so the personal protection aspect is important.

zorianak · 11-21-2012, 02:24 PM

Ain't nobody gonna mess with a person and a Dobe unless they are absolute nitwits. Further, any dog is going to protect "their" territory to the extent of barking at an intruder. I HIGHLY doubt that Jaina (my girl) would just allow a stranger to come waltzing in - I've had Labradors who weren't bred for guarding and who'd never acted aggressive a day in their life that have chased intruders off of our property (QUITE out of the blue, might I add. She'd always been fine with other strangers, but someone broke into our garage one day... and long story short, we had a snarling Labrador who let us know before he could even do anything). Like what's already been said in the thread, there are ways for you to learn how to protect yourself.

That being said, Jaina has never been trained for personal protection. She'll probably never compete in anything other than agility and MAYBE OB. But by golly, she will NOT let a stranger in the house unless I tell her that it's okay. She ALWAYS looks for my response to a new person (though not after raising her heckles and barking). To someone who doesn't know her, she can be downright intimidating for a 55lb dog (she's still a baby, at that) - we have someone who rents the downstairs bedroom that she'll "guard" the house from every now and then. He's a 6ft guy who body builds, and I can tell that he's taken aback and ready to leave the area when she goes into protection mode toward him (barking, raised heckles, and looking at me to go "Who the bejesus is THAT?"). I know that she'd never attack him, but I've also worked with her - hard. I don't WANT her to attack someone, and put her own life in danger and possibly an innocent stranger's.

The best part? She comes from a conformation/agility line, NOT an Schutzhund (sp?) line.

Edit: oh, another Jaina protection story. So I take my girl to daycare every now and then, which one of the daycares I bring her to happens to be in a pet store (I chose this so she could get a pretty wide range of exposure to at least seeing people). Otherwise, the dogs are locked in there so that only staff could get in. Well, someone actually decided they wanted to take a dog home and tried to break into the daycare - I'm not even going to ask where the person was who was supposed to be supervising the dogs, because that's another story that made things awkward when I was picking her up that day. Apparently, they heard the LOUDEST doberbark out of Jaina they'd ever even heard - the guy was rattling the doornob, then apparently got Jaina's attention. She alerted the workers, and while the guy wouldn't have been able to get in (he'd have to get through three locked doors, one of which is metal), she's credited with saving the day!