AI chuckled at this part. B
. I don't think I agree with either of these statements. I have a club member who trained with Bully Breeds for a very long time in both PSA and Ring. He did have some nasty ABT's apparently. He did say that they worked well in certain scenarios in PP but were very difficult to train because of being A"intellectually challanged". BCorrect temperament for protection work on a consistent basis is most likely found in a purebred dogs, linebred from generations of trial tested dogs of the correct temperament for the specific work called for.
This is becoming more difficult to find as the working dog culture in Germany has changed. There are not the number of border and police dog schools with the likes of Jurgen Ritzi, Reinhard Lindner, Elmar Mannes, etc. at the helm, who lived and breathed tough dogs. And that is in the German Shepherd world.
The working line Dobermann world is tiny and with the health issues in the breed, as well as cropping/docking laws in Western Europe, and a shrinking gene pool, very near extinction.
You are only qualifying what I am saying with the rest of this post. Due to the statements you have made to which I am not disagreeing, pet/show quality dobermans with the incorrect temperament massively outweigh the numbers of working line dobermans with the correct temperament as you have said youself. So statistically you are very unlikely to pick a Doberman that has the correct temperament for the job (if you are the like the OP) or GSD or Rotty or any other traditional PP breed.
However EBT's especially Males, show a good
level of dominance, their fight is through the roof, importantly, only when stimulated, their prey drive is very high, their play drive is high, they are (or were) very stable temperament dogs, their toughness is probably rivalled by very few dogs, their nerve is consistently high, bounce back? they don't need it because they didn't care in the first place, I challenge anyone to find a dog with more courage, a well conditioned one is very fit and agile, they carry enough weight, they integrate well into a family environment. This is a consistency of temperament
You could go to any half tidy EBT breeder and at least one dog in the litter will be like this if not most of them.
They are not intellectually challenged, however much it would appear so, they, like dobermans, take a different style to train. They are in my opinion far more 'intelligent' as individuals, especially at problem solving involving getting food they should not have.
It is also a tested and proven fact that 'breed intelligence' is BS, the difference between 2 individuals of one breed is as great as that between individuals of 2 different breeds. What he/she may be referencing to is their absolute stubbornness if there is nothing in it for them.
It is highly unlikely that you will get an EBT to heel pretty like a pro but they will heel all day, point him at something and tell him to bite it and it's game on, they 'switch' naturally due to their fighting heritage and a need to take out the immediate threat, their 'in fight mode' reactions are phenomenally fast. You needn't even tell the dog that someone is ok like you so often have to do with even pet dobermans, GSD's etc, their default setting is making friends (as long as they havn't been seriously abused and even then it takes very serious abuse to destabilize an EBT).
Tell the same dog the same person is bad and they will take them on in a blink.
I firmly believe they are one of the only dog breeds that you can trust to 'protect' you without any training at all, even if it is only because they want to join in the fight.
Their main drawbacks are:
trying to get the buggers to 'out' they just don't want to do it or in fact let go of anything at all once they have hold of it, this was why Bumpy was never moved from tugs, to this day I cannot get the dog to let go of a tug without at least waving a steak in her face, bare in mind she is an old dog now also.
Having said that, if someone is seriously attacking me or my family enough to need the dog to join in, I don't give a monkeys if the dog outs or not, it was a case of 'what if, she bit the wrong target?' i.e the kids.
If you do not do anything with your EBT they degenerate into lazyness, apathy and depression VERY quickly. This is the reason most EBTS seem to be such placid lazy dogs. It is also why they suffer one of the highest rates of OCD of any breed.
Long winded crap as ususal, but basically I am not saying they are better than a Good working line GSD, dobe, rotty etc but you are statistically more likely to find one with the correct temperament than the other breeds.