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Old 11-26-2012, 10:14 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Hahahahaha! Oh yes, I am such an evil no gooder that I post on other sites the same concerns I have here...yikes! I would assume, from reading some of your other threads, responses, etc that you are not only the a very self righteous individual, but also not the kindest most friendly individual on the planet. That's okay. My whole sneaky objective has been revealed! To try to get at least one puppy mill put out of business. I am in the trenches dear, and I plan to stay there whether or not you believe me there have been plenty that have and WE are doing something rather than "calling out" all these one post wonders as you call them...phew, you are rather a debbie downer aren't you?

So, for those of you more interested in helping out the puppies and the dogs, please keep posting as we are sending the posts to the authorities and Tabitha has now begun to respond. For those of you more interested in being right, or mean unfriendly or plain old mean to new and newbie posters, why don't you just be quiet for a bit until we get some real work done here....but it is hard to be quiet when you so need an audience for your potent and ohhhhhh so intelligent sarcasm and insights!

Why don't you just think about the dogs, as you claim to do?
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Tabitha and George Doyle AKA Eryn House AKA tabitha Webb shaolin masters, shaolin ken

If anyone has had dealingds or contact with Tabitha Nicole Webb-Tabitha Doyle-Eryn House and her husand George Doyle please email Thomas Petrowski at thomaspetrowski@yahoo.com. He is with animal control. Tell him your story and email him your documents so we can get these crooks off the streets for a long time. We neec everyones help to do this. I just got a shar-pei from them friday and he is real sick.
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Hahahahaha! Oh yes, I am such an evil no gooder that I post on other sites the same concerns I have here...yikes! I would assume, from reading some of your other threads, responses, etc that you are not only the a very self righteous individual, but also not the kindest most friendly individual on the planet. That's okay. My whole sneaky objective has been revealed! To try to get at least one puppy mill put out of business. I am in the trenches dear, and I plan to stay there whether or not you believe me there have been plenty that have and WE are doing something rather than "calling out" all these one post wonders as you call them...phew, you are rather a debbie downer aren't you?

So, for those of you more interested in helping out the puppies and the dogs, please keep posting as we are sending the posts to the authorities and Tabitha has now begun to respond. For those of you more interested in being right, or mean unfriendly or plain old mean to new and newbie posters, why don't you just be quiet for a bit until we get some real work done here....but it is hard to be quiet when you so need an audience for your potent and ohhhhhh so intelligent sarcasm and insights!

Why don't you just think about the dogs, as you claim to do?
I see you avoided the fact that you misrepresented your knowledge on this kennel, prior to coming to join DT.


Crappy breeders have often accused DT of witch hunts--it would be a shame for folks like you to prove them right.

As far as thinking about the dogs, busy taking care of a foster dog right now--I just don't constantly announce and seek approbation for each small thing I do for rescue.

It's not like I don't want to see these places shut down--I just prefer honesty in the fellow rescuers I personally work with, no KGB or CIA methods for us.

Also, totally could have predicted you'd go to ad hominem, to deflect questions about your own motives.
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I find it strange new members are popping up in this thread talking about what a horrible breeder this person/these people are and how they know because they just got a dog from them...

Hmm...well, if you don't like how someone treats their animals and you wish they'd stop breeding, why in the hell do you move forward with GIVING THEM MONEY FOR THEIR DISGUSTING BREEDING PRACTICES?

Let me guess, because all of you - unlike every one else who pays them for animals - were "saving" your puppy. And now that your check has been cashed and you have your puppy, NOW you want them put in jail rather than doing the "right" damn thing to begin with - not supporting their horrid practices by purchasing a dog from them. If you wouldn't buy their puppies they wouldn't sell them and they sure as hell wouldn't continue breeding for free.

Sometimes I'm amazed at how damn hard it is for some people to NOT buy a BYB dog. You only want to wag your finger once you've bought your puppy from some low-life breeder. Where was all this supposed concern for the integrity of a breeder BEFORE you bought a puppy?

Some people make an honest mistake. But not every last person in the states who buys from a BYB is some innocent taken for a ride. It's an absolute shame for the animals involved.

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Are you an expert at everything? Do you know about all the ways that people cheat on their taxes or how to avoid inheritance tax? Can you write a correct Sonnet? What I mean is that people came here because they did make a mistake and they are looking for help and all you do is spit in their faces. I don't get it. I have some ulterior motive? What would that be exactly? I am trying to help shut down a kennel that is run by a woman who has been convicted of animal cruelty. I am totally incredulous at this response and all I can say is that you are more concerned with the breeder, the breeders rights than you are with these poor animals and what might be happening to them. Pretty tricky, ad hominem, seriously. Because you attacked me. Study much logic?
You are right brw1982, people should not keep supporting these breeders, but when they do, when they have a sick or malformed animal on their hands, you are going to stand there and berate them for caring and for wanting to make the breeder pay for such insensitivity. And to say this is a witch hunt after reading the court report is another jaw dropper....I am beginning to understand that my motives may be pure, but yours, well you are beyond reasoning with.....again, what are my motives? To put a puppy mill out of business! Well, you better just be unkind to me so that I know my place here, right? Is this how you operate in the real world or just cyberspace?
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I never said they shouldn't be put of out of business. I question why so many people don't seem to be concerned with that fact BEFORE they decide to buy a dog from horrible breeders like this one? Everyone's hush-hush about the breeder when they're buying their puppy and hoping for the best. But as soon as something goes wrong everyone wants to crucify the breeder and have buckets of sympathy delivered to their doorstep when they're the ones who sought out and bought from said breeder.

Too many people want what they want when they want it, and they only bother to concern themselves with the morality of their actions when something goes wrong. Get what you want first, then scream foul play.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

This story just gets old time after time.
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I did not see one person ask for sympathy, much less buckets of it.

I see it all pretty clearly now. You all thank each other for bullying new posters. WE are not welcome here, regardless of what brought us here.

This is not a question of personal responsibility for goodness sake. People are being scammed, and puppies and dogs are being treated poorly, if not dying for the greed of these breeders. I agree, no one should support them. But I know there are a lot of folks out there that are just plain ignorant on the subject of what makes an ethical breeder, who is one in my area, what is a fair price for a pet quality pup, what should I ask the breeder, etc. I am just amazed, as always when I see this sort of behavior at the total lack of empathy that so many humans have for each other. We came here for help, not sympathy. I did not support this breeder, but some people that have reached out to me have, most unknowingly I believe. We are trying to help shut her down, and this is what you and RedFawnRising focus on??????? And then those that congratulate you on being so unwelcoming and so unkind. I expected to find expertise here on this forum, and that is what I came to find...not ridicule, hubris and a total lack of empathy....did you even read what it is she did to the dogs in her care 10 years ago? Do you even care? To you, just one more byb, or greeder or whatever you call her...but she sells hundreds of puppies a year to people that don't understand what the ramifications are of her breeding and selling practices.
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People have access to so many information sites. They just don't seem to use them when it comes to buying a puppy. They want a cheap one, they want one from down the street, they want a Kmart special. What they don't want is the work and time spent doing their homework. At some point common sense and personal responsibility must come into play.

There have been some who come here before they buy a puppy and after everyone tells them not to go to that byb/greeder.......they do and then come back here wanting solutions to their problem purchase. It is daunting sometimes. They show up with a myriad of excuses for their behavior. None of which are valid.

I guess it comes down to "a fool and his money.........."

And for those fools there is no hope. We do try to help them. Many just don't get it.
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This is the same kennel I tried asking about and some of you jumped on me and thought I was disingenuous and manipulative....why is that? Anyway, it really doesn't matter. There are several others hoping to put together criminal charges against these monsters, and there are a few that have even hired attorneys...that being said, if you would like to come together as a group, there is also a woman on Gentle Doberman that is posting and looking for more people to come forward and tell their story about these people and put them out of business. They have now changed their name again and are selling under the kennel name Eryn House and saying they are based out of Jackson TN. But, if you call and ask to come and see the pups or parents, you are not allowed to. They will meet you halfway with a pup, etc. More cover ups....please read the thread Ethical breeder too and read more about them...it would be wonderful to put a puppy mill out of business and it seems to me that they would be in quite the pickle having been convicted in the past. Several calls to the local authorities will go a much longer way than just one or two!!
I'm confused. Did this happen to you?
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Thank you. That makes sense to me, and I understand the frustration you all feel a bit more now that you put it this way...I know that some of the people that I have spoken to that did end up purchasing from this breeder were fooled though. She not only has kept the money of some and simply not sent a puppy, saying that it has been "killed" somehow, or she has sent very ill, seriously deformed and totally underweight puppies from many different breeds. I simply want her to feel the pain she has made other sentient beings feel. Maybe by having to spend some time in a tiny cell. My sole objective. I will only keep this thread open and alive because two buyers have come forward today. We will have many to speak on behalf of those animals in her care. There are now lawsuits being filed and authorities that have been called and reports filled in. I want those who do try to find out about her and her puppies, to type in the name of her kennels, her dogs, herself in Google to come to this thread and NOT BUY FROM HER. It is the very baby steps of education. We have a long way to go, but I still think that it is more advantageous to the world to offer a helping hand than to stand in judgment of those who are less knowledgeable in a certain area of life than we are. I have taught my children that above all else, kindness is the best virtue. I want those who have made the mistake of buying from her or any other byb to come to this site and not get sympathy, but help and education, usually what it is they are looking for. They and the puppies they have purchased are the ones who now have the deal with the ramifications of this unethical practice. The least we can do is be kind to them rather than rub their faces in their mess.
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The ones that get tough love here are the ones who either defend their excuses for going through with the purchase even though they saw what they were getting into or they simply refuse to believe what we tell them about byb/greeders. For those buyers there is little anyone can do to help them......they have refused to help themselves.

If you were to ask them "would you purchase a diamond ring from someone in an IHOP parking lot" you would get a resounding NO. But these same people will buy a puppy under the same circumstances.

There are many people out there who make themselves victims. These are the same buyers who come here claiming to have "rescued" their purchase. Even when told how they have financed a byb/greeder to do more damage they get angry and refuse to acknowledge their part in it.
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I talkec with the Madison County Sherrifs Office today and they were charged 2 years ago too. I am going to prosecute them as well. Anyone can contact me with their info to pass onto the investigator. snellcathy1@att.net
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I did my research. But nothing came up under Eryn House. Only after her husband came with her and I got home was I able to find out who she really is.
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Tabitha Doyle AKA Eryn House

Anyone having contact with her needs to contact Sgt Evans with Madison County Sherriffs Dept. She is handling the case. Their number is 731-423-6000.
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I am just now seeing this thread, and I am completely in shock. I actually live in Jackson, TN and got my Doberman in the area 5 years ago. She came from another BYB before I knew any better..but I have never even heard of these people, the case, or their breeding practices. It just completely horrifies me that people can do something like this to begin with, but to find out that it is happening so close to home. I just can't believe it. I hope and pray the new cases being brought up against them will put them behind bars this time!
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Just an update. This breeder has actually been arrested several times for non-compliance of probation, ie: she is not supposed to own any animals. AKC did do an onsite inspection at some point and gave her the go ahead, but then recanted when they saw video of the true squalor of the place. She is now being investigated again, and there are now 8 or 9 people that are pressing charges which is prompting the animal control and sheriff's department in this county to go out and investigate. I have sent copies of all the forms that have been completed, along with her long criminal history to the websites she sells on, imploring them to do a better job of policing who they sign up, or they too may eventually be held responsible and face litigation. It would be wonderful to shut one of these puppy mills down. I know it is a drop in the bucket, but it would still be a good thing for these animals in her care.

On another note, I have just completed an application to adopt a Doberman from a rescue a few cities away...he is 4 years old, and is a bit complicated, but wonderful...when I met him, he looked right through me I have all the things in place I think for him to be happy, including an acre of fenced property, so we shall see!

Thank you to those who have been kind, here, and to those who have not, I understand. I have read some of the other posts from one time posters, posers, naive buyers and trolls..but, I have to say, an atmosphere of attacking first, asking questions later, is not a healthy one.
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Everyone needs to contact Cathy Ferguson at TBI cathy.ferguson@tn.com and email her any documentation that you have.
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I contacted nextdaypets as will with her conviction and all the info and they said hatthey weren't going to remove her. I then told them that when it came to my lawsuit that they would be held liable as well since they ave all the information but continue to let her sell.
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Thank you for all your help. I am following your every lead. I am now having people from every branch of TN government call me wanting to know more. Keep up the hard work, it's making a difference and I believe we can stop her.
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