gszelly

We are looking for a European Doberman puppy from a reputable breeder in the South East US.

Should have good temperment to allow for service/therapy work.

We have 2 older male australian shepherds already.

jmradcliff

i assume you are looking for a female pup? with the 2 other males in the home (regardless of breed), it would be advisable to narrow your search to a female to avoid same-sex aggression issues. an all male house is a recipe for disaster.

i know that von Moeller Hof dobermans is a good working breeder here in NC. not sure about any others, but maybe you'll get some other suggestions from other users.

in my opinion, most dobermans are capable of doing pretty much any kind of work (most working breeds thrive with any kind 'job') regardless of if they are euro or not. i assume you are looking for euro because of looks? not just because you think euro's are the only dobermans capable of working?

Jonesy'sMom

I am also curious why you want a Euro for a Therapy dog work... (I hope you know the difference between that and a Service dog)...

There are lots of good Euro breeders in the south but honestly for what you are looking for there are plenty of NA breeders in your area that would do just as well.

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gszelly

I understand that the American Doberman is a working dog as well. I am looking more for the looks and slight size increase of the European Doberman. I know for most the size difference is not much but for me the extra 1-2 inches and the extra 5-15lbs would make a difference. I also know that a European is a bit more drive centric breed where-as the American can be a bit more laid back. I have a call with a local breeder of American Dobermans and I will see if a puppy she has will be suitable. Her puppy is a male but with the age and health of my 2 dogs it should not be an issue as they are showing signs of the end of their days. Thank you for your help.

PorschaLei

Oh yes try telling Kratos hes laid back, i think no matter the orgin a doberman is a high energy dog.

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Hilary

Wrong. Remember it is the Doberman who is known for same sex agression, and that would be the bouncing ball of puppy vigor you're bringing into your home. You would be doing your current dogs a tremendous disservice by ignoring the warnings your have been given. This agression is a serious issue and no matter how laid back your current group is, if they are neutered, if they are old, etc. - it can show up instigated by the dobe (and be quite nasty) at any time.

Please do your research on this topic.

PS; you sure you want to inflict a dobe pup on senior dogs?

Jonesy'sMom

I think you've fallen for the Euro greeder gimmicks

Euro dobes are not any bigger, they do have a bit of a different build, not much, and typically have more bone. But as far as bigger, no... Weigh more... no.

Drive? There are plenty of American Dobe lines that have plenty of drive. And there are plenty of Euro dobes that have no drive...

Also typically a good reputable breeder will NOT sell a male puppy to someone with a male in the house

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Asmit

Good working line European breeders typically have 'smaller' (shorter) dogs than most american and Euo show line dogs. So if you're looking for a working dog, don't expect size. Substance yes, but working breeders typically breed smaller, more agile/compact dogs.
Not that the generalization is true anyways.

But serious question: therapy or service dog. They are very different things. And what type of service dog? As in for what purpose?

MJT1212 NC

...wow...

all i got to say, and it's not towards the OP

To the OP: if you need to find a euro breeder in the southeast do not waste your time here, search elsewhere

Jonesy'sMom

Sooo you don't like the advice, and facts we are giving the OP...
Please enlighten...

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RedFawnRising

Some of the things the OP is asking indicate they have some misconceptions.

Folks here are trying to dispel those misconceptions, and ask questions that will help to narrow the parameters so that they can be more helpful and focused in their suggestions.

You, on the other hand, seem to have wandered into the wrong URL. I believe you were looking for this, instead: bewareofdobermantalk.com

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VZ-Doberman

If the older dogs manage to survive the rambunctious puppy, they won't survive the male dobe coming into his own.

Cathy43

The upcoming von Moeller Hof breeding is likely to produce some good-sized dogs.

gszelly

Ok just for a bit more information. Me and my husband have been researching the Doberman breed for over 6 months including watching the information provided here and other Doberman forums. We have looked at both the American Standard and the European Standard. According to the standards the European are expected to be a a little bit bigger and heavier per the standards. We know the same sex aggression issues and that it would be with the Doberman and not our current dogs which are Australian Shepherds. We are in contact with one of the breeders that is "suggested" by a lot on this forum and they are talking to us about placing their puppy with us. They know the temperament of their puppy. They are the ones we talked with for about an hour last night on the phone and will talk more today.

Interesting how I ask a simple question and all I get is asked why not American Doberman when I asked for European Breeders. If no one knows or wants to share then please allow me to find the Doberman that I am looking for and have researched about for over 6 months and found per the standards is what we are looking for.

P.S. We understand the difference between a service dog and a therapy dog. We are looking for one with the temperament traits for a dog that would work for both.

p.p.s Also the European bred dobermans will not have any of the Argentinian/Lex Luther blood lines we have been told by many people including multiple breeders and trainers here to avoid.

RedFawnRising

Sounds like you're all set, then.

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jmradcliff

yep. sounds like they have everything figured out.

kevallihouse

I am very new to dobes but am learning more about the breed and becoming very interested in becoming a parent to one. Had a conversation tonite with grandslamdobermanns in Miami area. He has pups of euro bloodlines available.
Is anyone familiar with this breeder?

Rosemary

Is it just me, or does the dog on their home page look strange? Maybe it's just the way he's stacked? Anyway, since there is no real information about them, or their breeding program, other than that they breed Euro lines, on the site, I couldn't begin to form an opinion (other than that the one dog looks strange).

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Interesting coincidence, you popping up on this thread.

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Q734

I would not inflict a doberman puppy of either sex on very elderly pets- until you've been there and mixed huge age differences and energy you cannot know how ill advised it is and somewhat cruel to the old dogs IMO.

That is unless you've got a plan to give the seniors plenty of room to enjoy being old without being pestered to death.

Also, hit some shows and report back to us if you still think you want a "bigger" Euro type vs. an American dog as photos are deceiving to the nines.

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PatchworkRobot

The breeder recently mentioned looks like yet another by to me. No, as mentioned, there's not much information on their page but the whole "BEST EURO DOBES IN THE USA" is a claim that many BYBs make. They say that their songs are the best but do nothing to prove it...

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Motomutt

Wait what did I miss???

So you know this and you still feel that it would be OK?? I am very confused by this statement.

What I find even more interesting is when people come onto a forum that is a dominantly America bred dog forum and get mad when people try to help
I am sure in this vast internet world we live in that there is a Euro Doberman forum, I have never looked but I am sure if you looked you might find what you need.

Well I originally thought like you, I now have a bitch with Argentinean dogs in her pedigree and I couldn't be happier, she is one of the smartest dogs I have ever had, she loves other dogs which is very important to me because I also do obedience trials.

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Okie-dobie

I have a euro working line Doberman at home and she is tiny! My euro male is standard, and my other euro show line Doberman is huge. Careful what you wish for.

Size should be the least of your worries with this breed! Find a breeder that places importance on temperament and health. There is a list of euro breeders on the United Doberman Club's website. Good luck!

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