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Old 11-01-2012, 06:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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does anyone have any info on dobiesbydullea the website is
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I wonder why they leave their puppies' ears natural unless requested. Their own dogs are obviously cropped.
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Not much to see other than somebody that continually breeds all of their pets together with no health testing or competing in any venue to assess their worthiness to breed other than they themselves saying they are pretty (even though their conformation is actually quite abysmal).
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They can't even take the zapper collars off for pictures?
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I'm wondering why this person is sort of going on about other breeders talking about health testing on their sites, then not doing it, when the pages she has up do not indicate she's done any health testing either.

I don't see one pre-breeding health screening listed on any of her breeding animals' pages.

She lists the testing on one parent, on a couple of those pages, but none on her own dogs.

If she has done all the requisite testing, why not list the results?

That would make me suspicious it's not done, or she has something to hide wiht regard to the results.

And the term "cardio free" is a huge no-no. No test we have today can predict if a Doberman will or will not develop cardio. The correct way to list this is to give normal holter/echo results for the dates each test was performed.

Writing it any other way is misleading, no idea if deliberate or not, but...misleading.

Other than that, not one of these animals appears to have physical traits I'd be interested in seeing passed on to the next generation.

Such a shame, wish they'd spay/neuter everybody and let them enjoy their lives as the pets they clearly are.
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Do you no of any good breeders in new england
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Do you no of any good breeders in new england?
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:12 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Here is the DPCA breeder referral list by state.

http://dpca.org/BreedRef/index.php

You still need to do your due diligence on each breeder you consider, on this list--ask about health screenings, longevity in pedigree, what types of titles they've completed, etc, etc. There may also be other good breeders who are not on this list--some of the DPCA breeders may also know of litters elsewhere they could refer you to.
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What is IBACA?
Or UKC Grand champion?


'Cooper' lived to the age of 12.


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We do ask that you come by to meet us and our adult Dobermans before sending us a deposit. Puppy Applications & Deposit Forms are locked, but are always available upon request. We do not put on our website; pedigrees, health certificates, etc. because someone copy and pasted our Studs information and put it on their website. Further, they took deposits for a litter that never existed, telling people that Cooper was the Stud that they used. I only found out when someone called in tears, asking if Cooper was bred to this heartless "breeders" female, but no pups existed and it disappointed a lot of people! For that reason, health testing results and pedigrees are shown and discussed during the interview process.
email/phone them and ask about health testing?

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I wonder why they leave their puppies' ears natural unless requested. Their own dogs are obviously cropped.
It would be too late once the ears are cropped?

The bitch 'Bianka' has some of the same lines as my bitches, dunno if that's good or bad but they are working lines:



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Phone them and give them the inquisition?
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What is IBACA?
Or UKC Grand champion?
IABCA is the organization that issues "International Championships". International Dog Show Calendar A championship through them is not hard to obtain, and doesn't really mean anything. Pretty much every dog in the show will be awarded the title Int. Ch., no matter how poor a specimin of breed type they are.

UKC is the United Kennel Club, the other all-breed club here in the US. A UKC Champion or Grand Champion title, while not nearly as hard to get as an AKC CH or GCH, is still better than IABCA titles.
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UKC is the United Kennel Club, the other all-breed club here in the US. A UKC Champion or Grand Champion title, while not nearly as hard to get as an AKC CH or GCH, is still better than IABCA titles.
I'm not sure that a UKC title is better. I haven't bothered with IABCA with the Dobes, but Wheeler does have his UKC Ch. 4 shows (1 weekend) and the only Doberman entered all weekend. Of course he was BOB all 4 shows, 2 Group 3's and 1 Group 2 and 1 Group 1 and voila, I had a UKC Ch!

I will say tho that UKC is fun. Since UKC was founded and is headquartered about 45 minutes from where I live, we have tons of UKC shows here. They are great for training puppies, especially when they are 10-15 minutes away from home.
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My boy has his UKC Ch. It took six shows, if I remember right it took 5 or 6 shows (two shows a day). It was fun but definitely not something I would use solely to base breeding stock on.

This breeder is not one I would consider reputable and I would not give my money to buy one of their dogs.

Chances are slim that you'll find multiple people here with direct experience with this breeder.
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Matt your response to my question confused me. Please explain. Too late for what?


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Looked over the site. Some of the dogs are from decent lines. Not sure they show or work.
They health test, they do not post because someone stole info from their site and used it. I can see why they dont list it. It can be easily emailed anyway.

I do not see a issue with supporting this breeder provided they actually do have the health testing done as described. Nice dogs, look well taken care of, and they interview potential buyers.


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What is IBACA?
Or UKC Grand champion?


'Cooper' lived to the age of 12.




email/phone them and ask about health testing?



It would be too late once the ears are cropped?

The bitch 'Bianka' has some of the same lines as my bitches, dunno if that's good or bad but they are working lines:


von Dunav Stam is a working dog kennel.

Phone them and give them the inquisition?

Matt, there is a whole lot wrong with this post. And judging by the pedigree of your girl that you showed me, no I don't consider that a working line, I consider that BYB.

And those dogs you listed with videos etc are not working lines. Hop on the working dobermann club group and check out the reactions to those lines and pedigrees.

Not saying all of the dogs can't work, but they are "show lines"
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Looked over the site. Some of the dogs are from decent lines. Not sure they show or work.
They health test, they do not post because someone stole info from their site and used it. I can see why they dont list it. It can be easily emailed anyway.

I do not see a issue with supporting this breeder provided they actually do have the health testing done as described. Nice dogs, look well taken care of, and they interview potential buyers.


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Since you've voiced the opinion that these are "Nice dogs," could you point out the strengths (if any) in the conformation of, say, pick any two of the breeding animals.

And, I'm sorry, but crummy breeders use soooo many excuses. Please, let me sell you a bridge to nowhere--they don't put up health results because some stranger on the internet copied/pasted?

I guess every reputable breeder will have to stop posting results on Dobequest <massive eyeroll>
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Matt, there is a whole lot wrong with this post. And judging by the pedigree of your girl that you showed me, no I don't consider that a working line, I consider that BYB.

And those dogs you listed with videos etc are not working lines. Hop on the working dobermann club group and check out the reactions to those lines and pedigrees.

Not saying all of the dogs can't work, but they are "show lines"
I'm sorry Asmit but there isn't "A whole lot wrong with my post at all"

First of all I did not say my dogs pedigree is a a working line I said:

The bitch 'Bianka' has some of the same lines as my bitches, dunno if that's good or bad but they are working lines:

Meaning: some of the lines in my bitches are the same as the lines in this dog.
The lines I am referring too are working lines.
Not: My dogs have working pedigrees.

To have the meaning you are saying the sentence would read:
The bitch 'Bianka' has some of the same lines as my bitches working lines, dunno if that is good or bad- your misinterpretation not my misinformation.

Cooper lived to the age of 12 years-- Whats wrong with that?

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It would be too late once the ears are cropped?
Well it would be wouldn't it. "Oh I have come to pick up my puppy............. What the hell has happened to it's ears????"

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And those dogs you listed with videos etc are not working lines. Hop on the working dobermann club group and check out the reactions to those lines and pedigrees.

Not saying all of the dogs can't work, but they are "show lines"
Could you give me a link to this please I could not find it.

Do you consider working lines other than dogs that do work? Genuine question because now I am confused.

As to the conformation statements, I have no idea of conformation, I see nothing I would take forward into the breed either, but I see many dogs that don't look like dobermans winning shows.

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Old 11-03-2012, 05:31 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I get what you're saying now but I'm not getting the point. Communication prevents any "what happened to my dog" scenarios. Not really a valid answer to my question.


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I'm sorry Asmit but there isn't "A whole lot wrong with my post at all"

First of all I did not say my dogs pedigree is a a working line I said:

The bitch 'Bianka' has some of the same lines as my bitches, dunno if that's good or bad but they are working lines:

Meaning: some of the lines in my bitches are the same as the lines in this dog.
The lines I am referring too are working lines.
Not: My dogs have working pedigrees.

To have the meaning you are saying the sentence would read:
The bitch 'Bianka' has some of the same lines as my bitches working lines, dunno if that is good or bad- your misinterpretation not my misinformation.

Cooper lived to the age of 12 years-- Whats wrong with that?

Could you give me a link to this please I could not find it.

Do you consider working lines other than dogs that do work? Genuine question because now I am confused.

As to the conformation statements, I have no idea of conformation, I see nothing I would take forward into the breed either, but I see many dogs that don't look like dobermans winning shows.
In the sentence, you say "dunno if that's good or bad but they are working lines:". They are not working lines and that therefore invalidates the sentence.

And no just because a dog 'can' work does not mean it is working lines. Those dogs are bred mainly for conformation shows, work is secondary. Alot of faulty and fake titles get thrown around fooling most into thinking they are working dogs.
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Ok fab, no arguement from me.

Could you explain what a working line pedigree is?
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Ok fab, no arguement from me.

Could you explain what a working line pedigree is?
Generally working lines are by kennels/breeders/litters bred specifically for working ability first and foremost while also maintaining health and longevity. Although titling in the working realm isn't quite as important in the working dog world for an experienced trainer (because they can assess the dog's ability without needing a third party verification), titling in a working dog sport should be all throughout the pedigree. When you start seeing a whole lot of schH3's throughout the pedigree, its most likely a working dog pedigree that has been continued for generations to improve working ability.

Alot of the 'old time' working breeders think conformation titles are a complete waste of time and can actually get pretty darn worked up over a show dog with a schH1 being called a working dog.


If you want a detailed answer from many more knowledgeable people I recommend you present those pedigrees and this question to a working dobermann group. Just be prepared for some heated responses.

ETA: These are all very generalized explanations. It really comes down to the kennel names and breeders of the dogs in the pedigrees.

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Awesome thanks for the reply.

Do you have a link to any such group so I can read about it?

There will be no argument, I have no argument to give, I'm not arguing here, I know next to nothing about working pedigrees.
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Thats because AKC is judged on who is at the end of the lead & not the dog & since I show myself against the pros...theres no competition they will always win...I refuse to pay outrageous fees for politics! Also, you guys...Baron Nike lived till 12, My Cooper is very much alive...Cardio free...that is for the Baron Nike info, that is how they write it in Hungary... Yes, I health test...No, I dont breed just to breed. Yes there is a "list" on the DPCA & yes theyre all "connected"...I am not involved w/them because I choose not to! I personally do not like their methods. Here in MA there isnt a alot of local working clubs (tracking,Schtz,etc) ....I did try Conformation to see if I could & I did...hate the politics. I have no patience for school yard bullying tactics with crazy women! Dont really understand why everyone comments about things they dont know? Do my dogs have great temperaments, a nice tail set, perfect topline,full dentation-yes...hips xrayed & penn hip'd elbows xrayed, holter,echo,dcm'd -yes,vwd-yes,thyroid-yes regular health checks,vaccinations,microchipped,obedience trained? all yes...so what?? "your" dogs prettier than mine, i disagree & i havent even seen yours, why??? because we can all say that about our own dogs.....my dogs are usually photographed w/out collars any place I go, I dont need them...they will listen to me..that photo BTW....I was taking a picture of a Ciccada in my driveway,I turned around because I felt eyes on me & their they were....so I took their picture....I didnt realize this site was meant as a Salem Witch Hunt....

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Actually owner handlers do quite well in the show ring. Maybe not as great in the specials ring but if u have a good doberman u can win in the classes and finish one.
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Thats because AKC is judged on who is at the end of the lead & not the dog & since I show myself against the pros...theres no competition they will always win...I refuse to pay outrageous fees for politics! Also, you guys...Baron Nike lived till 12, My Cooper is very much alive...Cardio free...that is for the Baron Nike info, that is how they write it in Hungary... Yes, I health test...No, I dont breed just to breed. Yes there is a "list" on the DPCA & yes theyre all "connected"...I am not involved w/them because I choose not to! I personally do not like their methods. Here in MA there isnt a alot of local working clubs (tracking,Schtz,etc) ....I did try Conformation to see if I could & I did...hate the politics. I have no patience for school yard bullying tactics with crazy women! Dont really understand why everyone comments about things they dont know? Do my dogs have great temperaments, a nice tail set, perfect topline,full dentation-yes...hips xrayed & penn hip'd elbows xrayed, holter,echo,dcm'd -yes,vwd-yes,thyroid-yes regular health checks,vaccinations,microchipped,obedience trained? all yes...so what?? "your" dogs prettier than mine, i disagree & i havent even seen yours, why??? because we can all say that about our own dogs.....my dogs are usually photographed w/out collars any place I go, I dont need them...they will listen to me..that photo BTW....I was taking a picture of a Ciccada in my driveway,I turned around because I felt eyes on me & their they were....so I took their picture....I didnt realize this site was meant as a Salem Witch Hunt....
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