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Old 11-23-2012, 06:38 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Since you've voiced the opinion that these are "Nice dogs," could you point out the strengths (if any) in the conformation of, say, pick any two of the breeding animals.

And, I'm sorry, but crummy breeders use soooo many excuses. Please, let me sell you a bridge to nowhere--they don't put up health results because some stranger on the internet copied/pasted?

I guess every reputable breeder will have to stop posting results on Dobequest <massive eyeroll>
you cant copy & paste of Dobequest & yes I know exactly who stole my Pedigree info it wasnt a "stranger" FYI!
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:44 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Actually owner handlers do quite well in the show ring. Maybe not as great in the specials ring but if u have a good doberman u can win in the classes and finish one.
when theyre young yes, hence Biankas AKC points...when she matured & looked all her Euro part...she stopped placing 1st in Winners. She won her classes,yes...but thats it.
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you cant copy & paste of Dobequest & yes I know exactly who stole my Pedigree info it wasnt a "stranger" FYI!
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Totally just c+p'd a random dog off of Dobequest... So, I'd say it can be done
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Thats because AKC is judged on who is at the end of the lead & not the dog & since I show myself against the pros...theres no competition they will always win...I refuse to pay outrageous fees for politics! Also, you guys...Baron Nike lived till 12, My Cooper is very much alive...Cardio free...that is for the Baron Nike info, that is how they write it in Hungary... Yes, I health test...No, I dont breed just to breed. Yes there is a "list" on the DPCA & yes theyre all "connected"...I am not involved w/them because I choose not to! I personally do not like their methods. Here in MA there isnt a alot of local working clubs (tracking,Schtz,etc) ....I did try Conformation to see if I could & I did...hate the politics. I have no patience for school yard bullying tactics with crazy women! Dont really understand why everyone comments about things they dont know? Do my dogs have great temperaments, a nice tail set, perfect topline,full dentation-yes...hips xrayed & penn hip'd elbows xrayed, holter,echo,dcm'd -yes,vwd-yes,thyroid-yes regular health checks,vaccinations,microchipped,obedience trained? all yes...so what?? "your" dogs prettier than mine, i disagree & i havent even seen yours, why??? because we can all say that about our own dogs.....my dogs are usually photographed w/out collars any place I go, I dont need them...they will listen to me..that photo BTW....I was taking a picture of a Ciccada in my driveway,I turned around because I felt eyes on me & their they were....so I took their picture....I didnt realize this site was meant as a Salem Witch Hunt....
Intersting. My very first points were in the Dobe ring back in 1998 and I started showing in 1997. Awful was a great way to explain my handling. I know Vizslas are nowhere near as competitive, but I have made the cut myself in the group ring and put a group 3 on my own dog. I've also gotten Select a a specialty with him.
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Intersting. My very first points were in the Dobe ring back in 1998 and I started showing in 1997. Awful was a great way to explain my handling. I know Vizslas are nowhere near as competitive, but I have made the cut myself in the group ring and put a group 3 on my own dog. I've also gotten Select a a specialty with him.
And I was an owner of a whippet that was in the top 20 three years in a row. He retired with 30 group 1sts and was owner handled the whole way.

Fifi is also now owner handled and has been for quite some time.


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I think we all need to chip in and buy wilimenafufu one of those "excuses" T-shirts.
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when theyre young yes, hence Biankas AKC points...when she matured & looked all her Euro part...she stopped placing 1st in Winners. She won her classes,yes...but thats it.
Perhaps when she matured her faults became too apparent for points.
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I think we all need to chip in and buy wilimenafufu one of those "excuses" T-shirts.
The hell with the T-shirt, let's chip in for speutering the breeding stock.
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the hell with the t-shirt, let's chip in for speutering the breeding stock.
def send cash quick!!!
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def send cash quick!!!
As if we all didn't already know that was your primary focus.
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I bet there are groups in your area who would assist in getting the breeding stock speutered. Why don't you contact them?
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I bet there are groups in your area who would assist in getting the breeding stock speutered. Why don't you contact them?
If you know where they are located I can happily google what low cost speuter programs are in the area
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LMAO....you guys amuse me! where do i get these crystal balls you all seem to have....
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LMAO....you guys amuse me! where do i get these crystal balls you all seem to have....
What? You're not happy with the brass ones you already have?
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without looking into a so called crystal ball... i can tell you all this.... all of your responses are just cyber bullying.
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when theyre young yes, hence Biankas AKC points...when she matured & looked all her Euro part...she stopped placing 1st in Winners. She won her classes,yes...but thats it.
Wrong. Owner handler put championships on adult dobermans all the time. Lost even go further. Group wins, Best In Shows even.
As I said, show a good dog, puppy or adult, and u can win.
You don't get to many shows I guess.
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Wrong. Owner handler put championships on adult dobermans all the time. Lost even go further. Group wins, Best In Shows even.
As I said, show a good dog, puppy or adult, and u can win.
You don't get to many shows I guess.
As an owner handler who finished her own bitch, I can agree with this statement, however...I think it has it's limitations...for example, I have seen very nice dogs (IMO) with inexperienced owner handlers (or just really bad owner handlers who do not possess the skill to properly show their dogs) lose to lesser dogs who were shown better by their owners or handlers. This happens all the time and if the owner handler is not able to hone their skills and training for whatever reasons, they aren't going to do well. Sure, there will be the judge here and there who will forgive the bad handling and who will be able to see through it and still know the dog is worthy...but I don't personally think that will happen enough to keep a novice owner handler engaged in the sport.

Then there is also the dramatic difference in type in this particular situation. This bitch in question might do very well if she were being shown in Europe versus here in the states. I don't know if she would or not but did anyone think of that?...that she might actually BE a nice bitch who WOULD win in a different venue in her home country... You can not deny the huge difference in type between American dogs and many of the European dogs. Yes, I know there are European American Champions and crosses and mixes who have finished. It's not impossible by any means, especially with a good handler. But I feel it's more challenging to finish a European style dog here in the states, especially for an inexperienced owner handler. I imagine it's pretty darn discouraging to lose all the time because your bitch is odd man out next to a ring full of American dogs.

I know there are a lot of "other" things going on in this particular situation but some of the reasoning that people are giving is flawed, IMO. I am talking about regarding to her showing in AKC...she has a full European bred imported bitch...she is a very novice handler...she's already at such a disadvantage in the AKC ring for these 2 reasons alone. I can't blame her for not continuing... What about all these working breeders with European bred dogs here in the states who also don't have American Champions or who don't show in AKC? Why are they not criticized for not having AKC Champions? I have voiced my opinion on this forum before regarding the American Championship but I will say it again....an AKC Championship does NOT automatically make the dog worthy NOR does the lack of one automatically make the dog NOT worthy. If I truly believed that shows were still just about breeding stock, maybe my opinion would change but for now, it is what it is and I accept it for what it is but I have no delusions about how the "sport" works and what it really means to me....and before you all ask me again, then why do I even bother showing? Because somewhere deep down inside me, I still have faith that it means what it's supposed to mean and at the end of the day, I just like to play the game The more challenging the game, the bigger the reward!! But that's just me.......
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Her euro conformation (as per owner) didn't hinder her in the puppy class with a novice handler. She was still taking winners (as per owner). And I don't believe it was simply because she was euro that she couldn't win. She had always been euro and with the novice handler. Something changed. And the only thing that changed was her maturing and faults becoming more noticeable. Her competing and winning versus her competing and losing had only one thing different.....age/maturity.

Just out of curiosity, how many pts did she have from the puppy class?

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Her euro conformation (as per owner) didn't hinder her in the puppy class with a novice handler. She was still taking winners (as per owner). And I don't believe it was simply because she was euro that she couldn't win. She had always been euro and with the novice handler. Something changed. And the only thing that changed was her maturing and faults becoming more noticeable. Her competing and winning versus her competing and losing had only one thing different.....age/maturity.

Just out of curiosity, how many pts did she have from the puppy class?
As of 11-1712, she has one point. Her hips are rated OFA Fair.
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As of 11-1712, she has one point. Her hips are rated OFA Fair.

Oh good grief. Dogs get dumped in the ring for a reason. Her being euro had nothing to do with it.
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Funny thats what you point out "fair hips".... yes, against my better judgement, the vet convinced me to xray the hips while she was lactating, she told me it wouldnt alter the results.... but while you had nothing better to do w/your time that google Bianka, why dont you mention the other health results...oh, i imagine that is because you are continuing to try to find faults with me & my dogs.....
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Meh, why bother with google when I can go straight to the AKC?

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Funny thats what you point out "fair hips".... yes, against my better judgement, the vet convinced me to xray the hips while she was lactating, she told me it wouldnt alter the results.... but while you had nothing better to do w/your time that google Bianka, why dont you mention the other health results...
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oh, i imagine that is because you are continuing to try to find faults with me & my dogs.....
Oh, we know your faults.

You were the one who posted about her "points". Now we know you lied about that also. Points is not the same as point.....single.....as in one......
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