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Old 10-27-2012, 08:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Seeking dobe puppy - March timeframe

Hi DT Friends,

We are looking for an uncropped, undocked puppy for the March / April timeframe.

I have owned three Dobermanns over several decades and we have a very good home for raising a new one. We have an acre of land situated on a cul de sac with a fenced in backyard. Our kids are 7 and 5 and grew up with our last dobe, Ginger. She was a very well trained female selected to blend well with young kids.

Happy to spend money on a high-quality dog. Please reach out to me if you think you may have the right pup in an upcoming litter.

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Old 10-27-2012, 08:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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For an undocked, uncropped puppy, you will probably need to go with either a rescue or a working-line breeder. It would be very rare for an ethical breeder (non-working breeder, that is) to let a puppy go without having its tail and ears done. A working-line breeder might be more willing to leave the pups natural.
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For an undocked, uncropped puppy, you will probably need to go with either a rescue or a working-line breeder. It would be very rare for an ethical breeder (non-working breeder, that is) to let a puppy go without having its tail and ears done. A working-line breeder might be more willing to leave the pups natural.
Rosemary, thanks for your input.

Our last dobe was completely natural from very good bloodlines and a reputable breeder. See Anthea v d Bernsauer Jagd at dobermannpedigrees.nl

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Interesting to research that line. Very cool.

You've owned a working dog before, I'm sure you have the capabilities of doing it again. I don't know of any (working) litters that will be due/read by that time. But I'm sure someone does.
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You may have to look to Canada working breeders: no real knowledge myself of said breeder...
But I also know they have puppies they leave natural.
I think someone on this Forum has a Do'Urden dog... Just can't place it right now... Edit Cathy43 (43?) has a Do'Urden dog named Fei

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You may consider importing a dog from overseas where natural dogs are common. You will be really hard pressed to find a reputable breeder willing to sell an uncropped/undocked puppy in the US as it's a cropped and docked breed here. It's not impossible, but you will have to be looking at working breeders exclusively.
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Thank you to all for your comments! A reputable U.S. breeder did reach out to me and indicated a willingness to leave one natural if I committed upfront, which I am willing to do.

So, I will just offer up to other members...if you have a litter coming in the Spring timeframe and want to avoid the "shame" of leaving one natural :-) ...I am willing to pay upfront and put money at risk.
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You may consider importing a dog from overseas where natural dogs are common. You will be really hard pressed to find a reputable breeder willing to sell an uncropped/undocked puppy in the US as it's a cropped and docked breed here. It's not impossible, but you will have to be looking at working breeders exclusively.
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Are there any overseas breeders you would recommend?

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I'd contact Chris Rasmussen of Moeller Hof. She has a breeding planned for winter and I believe she is not opposed to leaving pups natural.
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Please forgive my ignorance, but can you point me to some information on Do'Urden dogs? I have not heard of them.

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Like I said I've no real knowledge of them myself I would contact Cathy and ask her. Maybe I'll point her towards this thread she can shed some light
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Yes, I have a Do'Urden dog that I am tickled pink with. She is exactly what I was looking for in an agility/sch dog. Small, very fast, tough enough that she isn't bothered by new places, equipment boo-boos, etc. She likes to play rough. She is NOT the dog that a 7 or 5 yr old would enjoy for a pet. Had she been raised in a different environment; maybe, probably,who knows?

I'm not a fan of working-bred dogs in pet homes but there are different temps in all litters. I would have no problem buying from Do'Urden or Von Moeller hof personally.
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Yes, I have a Do'Urden dog that I am tickled pink with. She is exactly what I was looking for in an agility/sch dog. Small, very fast, tough enough that she isn't bothered by new places, equipment boo-boos, etc. She likes to play rough. She is NOT the dog that a 7 or 5 yr old would enjoy for a pet. Had she been raised in a different environment; maybe, probably,who knows?

I'm not a fan of working-bred dogs in pet homes but there are different temps in all litters. I would have no problem buying from Do'Urden or Von Moeller hof personally.
Cathy,

Thank you for your note and thoughts.

We may have lucked out with Ginger, but she was from two Schutzhund title winners and was perfect for our family.

It may be naive of me, but I believe that I am the perfect fit for the littermate that no one else wants...we're looking for the less aggressive, less dominant one of the bunch.

Please keep the good suggestions coming! I am interested in learning from the groups collective wisdom.

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Thank you for your note and thoughts.

We may have lucked out with Ginger, but she was from two Schutzhund title winners and was perfect for our family.

It may be naive of me, but I believe that I am the perfect fit for the littermate that no one else wants...we're looking for the less aggressive, less dominant one of the bunch.

Please keep the good suggestions coming! I am interested in learning from the groups collective wisdom.

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Since I've actually been a process of a current working litter going to new homes and such, I have to touch on this. I don't think people 'not wanting that' is true at all. If anything, more people have been turned down for not being able to get a dog like that out of a working litter. There are far fewer 'less "aggressive" and less dominant' pups in a working litter, despite the fact that there are more homes for these types of dogs.

It is the over the top dominant, potentially aggressive puppies that are not necessarily 'unwanted' but harder to find capable homes for. Now the breeder may think the less aggressive, less dominant are unwanted for their own purposes, but the breeder can't keep them all, and they must go to homes capable of bringing them up properly.
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For an undocked, uncropped puppy, you will probably need to go with either a rescue or a working-line breeder. It would be very rare for an ethical breeder (non-working breeder, that is) to let a puppy go without having its tail and ears done. A working-line breeder might be more willing to leave the pups natural.
It really frustrates me that in USA its perfectly normal to get a crop and dock and from your post its hard to get all natural, but in the UK its banned and you have to have all natural, they make out crop/dock is cruel but they will gladly cut off your dogs genitals....really frustrating, its not the end of the world dobes are still beutiful dogs but if im honest i would love a crop/dock but its not possible legally without importing for 1500~
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I've seen a few all natural puppies in rescue before, perhaps you could check around?

I know the breeder 'Aritaur' over here has sent a few dogs to the USA. If you cannot find someone in the USA it might be worth having a chat with them. I have no personal experience with them but they show, work and health test their dogs and seem like lovely people from what I've heard Welcome to the forum, by the way.
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Betelges in Serbia and Del Nasi kennels overseas are very good and both expecting litters at that time. They will sell an all natural no problem. I just bought a puppy from both and had excellent experience. I know someone who just bought an all natural stunning female from Del Nasi last week. Del Nasi has a US contact in OH, and Betelges is very quick and responsive to emails and phone calls.


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Betelges in Serbia and Del Nasi kennels overseas are very good and both expecting litters at that time. They will sell an all natural no problem. I just bought a puppy from both and had excellent experience. I know someone who just bought an all natural stunning female from Del Nasi last week. Del Nasi has a US contact in OH, and Betelges is very quick and responsive to emails and phone calls.


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It's pretty safe to say those two will always have a litter available....


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Old 11-02-2012, 04:17 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I've seen a few all natural puppies in rescue before, perhaps you could check around?

I know the breeder 'Aritaur' over here has sent a few dogs to the USA. If you cannot find someone in the USA it might be worth having a chat with them. I have no personal experience with them but they show, work and health test their dogs and seem like lovely people from what I've heard Welcome to the forum, by the way.
Thank you, Amelia. I will reach out to Aritaur as well.
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Thank you, AlliDobie. The dogs on their sites look attractive.
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I am very glad I found this current post. I too am looking for a natural dobe in the March time frame for my 5 and 7 year old. Small world huh? I am looking for a quality, normal size, family pet. Would anyone be able to share information or point me in the direction of a reputable breeder that would consider having a natural dobe? I am located in Maryland. Thank you for your time.
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