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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 10-09-2012, 12:28 PM Thread Starter
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I just adopted a 9 month old pup a few days ago, and I'm trying to find out information about his parents. His breeder is Tommy Nicaj in AZ. The pup's dam is Gabbana (WS35559010) and the sire is Duke Nicaj (WS34521304). I would like to get in touch with the breeder to find about about this pup's relatives health history. Just from the names of the sire and dam, I'm not getting warm fuzzy feelings. I tried looking up the AKC registration numbers but nothing came up. The couple of phone numbers for the breeder I was able to find on-line are all disconnected.

Can someone help me out? I'd just like to know a little more about this pup's background and what to expect in terms of vet costs for potential congenital problems, and maybe life expectancy. Thanks. I'm going to go post on the training forum now.
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You can purchase a pedigree from the AKC store, but if this pup came from BYB lines, there likely won't be much, if any, health testing that was done, and hence, not much information to be garnered.

Thank you, though, for thinking ahead and being a proactive owner for your new pup.

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did you try this number and email?

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I called the number, and it says I don't have permission to call that number (I've never heard an operator message saying that). I haven't emailed yet.
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I called the number, and it says I don't have permission to call that number (I've never heard an operator message saying that). I haven't emailed yet.
Whoa, that sounds like your phone # is blocked. How 'bout trying to call it from a different phone and see if you get the same message.

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Whoa, that sounds like your phone # is blocked. How 'bout trying to call it from a different phone and see if you get the same message.
This is a service that is available through some service providers. Only calls from a list of numbers provided by the person one is calling are able to go through, and all other calls are intercepted like this. Usually, the message says at the end that you will be allowed to record a message to the holder of the number asking to be added to the list... try again later, and if you've been added, your call will go through. I have had it take a couple of days, so keep trying...
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This is a service that is available through some service providers. Only calls from a list of numbers provided by the person one is calling are able to go through, and all other calls are intercepted like this. Usually, the message says at the end that you will be allowed to record a message to the holder of the number asking to be added to the list... try again later, and if you've been added, your call will go through. I have had it take a couple of days, so keep trying...
Wow. I would so love to know what company has that service-we could use it since our house phone is unplugged 99% of the time due to telemarketers-despite being on the do not call list.

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Wow. I would so love to know what company has that service-we could use it since our house phone is unplugged 99% of the time due to telemarketers-despite being on the do not call list.
The feature is called Selective Call Acceptance. You can Google it and find the companies which offer it.

I don't get why you would unplug your phone due to telemarketers. Don't answer, if you don't want to... or, answer with "Please remove me from your call list." It's not that much more difficult than pressing the delete key for e-mails you don't wish to read... just doesn't seem like any kind of big deal, to me.
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The feature is called Selective Call Acceptance. You can Google it and find the companies which offer it.

I don't get why you would unplug your phone due to telemarketers. Don't answer, if you don't want to... or, answer with "Please remove me from your call list." It's not that much more difficult than pressing the delete key for e-mails you don't wish to read... just doesn't seem like any kind of big deal, to me.
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Wow. I would so love to know what company has that service-we could use it since our house phone is unplugged 99% of the time due to telemarketers-despite being on the do not call list.
Let the answering machine pick up. That annoys them more than you being on the "do not call" list.


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The feature is called Selective Call Acceptance. You can Google it and find the companies which offer it.

I don't get why you would unplug your phone due to telemarketers. Don't answer, if you don't want to... or, answer with "Please remove me from your call list." It's not that much more difficult than pressing the delete key for e-mails you don't wish to read... just doesn't seem like any kind of big deal, to me.
Dh works swing shifts so yeah it's a PITA when the pre-recorded stuff like the cruise liner fog horn "TOOOOOT TOOOOOOOT -you've just won a carribean cruise" thing decides to call or any place we've done business with has sold our ph # exempting them from the DNC list.

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Let the answering machine pick up. That annoys them more than you being on the "do not call" list.
Meh....I think the only reason we still keep the landline is so that I can find my cell phone.
I'm too preoccupied to go after these bastiges to get the big payday they owe when they break the DNC list.

Sorry OP I did not mean to hijack-just glad to know there's a service...carry on and good luck getting in touch w/that breeder.

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Dh works swing shifts so yeah it's a PITA when the pre-recorded stuff like the cruise liner fog horn "TOOOOOT TOOOOOOOT -you've just won a carribean cruise" thing decides to call or any place we've done business with has sold our ph # exempting them from the DNC list.



Meh....I think the only reason we still keep the landline is so that I can find my cell phone.
I'm too preoccupied to go after these bastiges to get the big payday they owe when they break the DNC list.

Sorry OP I did not mean to hijack-just glad to know there's a service...carry on and good luck getting in touch w/that breeder.

Sorry ... One last thread hijack ..... For those that are too young to remember only rotary dial phone days .... There used to be a recording when you called a disconnected number, it went "beep BEEP beeeeep - the number you have called has been disconnected"

if you find that beep BEEP beeeeep sound on the net and record just that part on your answering machine first, then pause a few seconds before you start to speak for your normal answering machine message it automatically deletes your number from robo dial computers.

I did it and let my machine answer every call for a month and it cut cold calls to my landline almost to zero.

And now back to your regularly scheduled topic ...............
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Hello KILOAZ,

I am very busy and did not update my new telephone number on the AKC website but the email address is still active. Unfortunately I get so much junk mail it is hard to go through every single one. Glad to hear from you. How is your doberman puppy doing? In terms of health these puppies are top quality purebreds with full AKC registration. If you register with AKC u can see the pedigree for 7 generations. The parents are healthy however the doberman breed is predisposed to health issues. I do my best in choosing the parents to prevent this. I buy only from top breeders who sell to companies who sell dogs (puppies-n-love.) It is imperative to get them vaccinated and exercise them daily. If you have any questions please email me and I will keep an eye out for your email. Please put *DOBERMAN PUPPY* in subject line in order not to get junked. Thank you
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I am very busy and did not update my new telephone number on the AKC website but the email address is still active. Unfortunately I get so much junk mail it is hard to go through every single one. Glad to hear from you. How is your doberman puppy doing? In terms of health these puppies are top quality purebreds with full AKC registration. If you register with AKC u can see the pedigree for 7 generations. The parents are healthy however the doberman breed is predisposed to health issues. I do my best in choosing the parents to prevent this. I buy only from top breeders who sell to companies who sell dogs (puppies-n-love.) It is imperative to get them vaccinated and exercise them daily. If you have any questions please email me and I will keep an eye out for your email. Please put *DOBERMAN PUPPY* in subject line in order not to get junked. Thank you
Bold emphasis is mine.

So, how do you go about choosing parents in order to prevent health problems?

What sort of screenings do you have done, on each parent?

And, am I understanding that second bolded sentence--do you mean you work with puppy brokers?

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The pup's dam is Gabbana (WS35559010) and the sire is Duke Nicaj (WS34521304).

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I have 2 dobermans one is duke (9 month old male) and gabbana a 4 month old female.
So the dam was bred well before two years and the sire probably was too (it's late and my math, even the simple stuff, seems to be failing).. This means that many of the health tests couldn't have been done. I guess it's a good thing that this person is just so good at choosing the best and most healthy puppies from puppy brokers over the internet. Yes, Albanian, you just sound like an absolutely stellar breeder



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Hello patchcarerobot,

Technically any animal that is in heat can breed successfully (Human, puppy.) Breeding at first heat is accepted so long as calcium and other nutrients are given to prevent any damage to the damn. Breeding age has nothing to do with the quality of dog. Quality is judged by the pedigree as my clients well know. I encourage all people to do research and ask breeders for the parents pedigree and understand the problems the breed may have down the road. If you just pick someone off craigslist without papers than good luck because chances are they will have issues. DNA samples for damn and sier are also registered with AKC. I just ask for you to educate yourself a bit more before jumping to several points with ZERO knowledge of the facts. :-(
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What about health testing that can't be completed until the dog is older? (i.e. hip scores)


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What about health testing that can't be completed until the dog is older? (i.e. hip scores)
This was the main point of my post, not that it was first heat but that the bitch was too young for complete health testing. Because it's not about "can the animal breed" but about "should the animal be bred?"

Also, quality is judged by judges in sanctioned events such as conformation or working shows/trials. How else does one prove that their dog is built correctly? Last, you mention brokers and Craigslist (and, technically yourself) but what about reputable breeders who are titling and fully health testing their dogs before breeding them because they are actively trying to better the breed? A breeder who doesn't just stick their two dogs together but pairs dogs that will compliment one another for the best chance for puppies that are as healthy and as close to standard as possible. Which, to my understanding, is not something that can be decided at puppyhood - a fact that you sort of implied earlier - but is done after watching a dog grow and mature and watching/learning about other dogs as well.

Anyways, isn't that who buyers should be going to and, if somebody is going to spend money on a puppy, shouldn't they spend it well?



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Some of my girls come in season at 6 months. So its ok the breed one that young??? Would u let Ur 12 yr old daughter have a baby, on purpose??

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I am very busy and did not update my new telephone number on the AKC website but the email address is still active. Unfortunately I get so much junk mail it is hard to go through every single one. Glad to hear from you. How is your doberman puppy doing? In terms of health these puppies are top quality purebreds with full AKC registration. If you register with AKC u can see the pedigree for 7 generations. The parents are healthy however the doberman breed is predisposed to health issues. I do my best in choosing the parents to prevent this. I buy only from top breeders who sell to companies who sell dogs (puppies-n-love.) It is imperative to get them vaccinated and exercise them daily. If you have any questions please email me and I will keep an eye out for your email. Please put *DOBERMAN PUPPY* in subject line in order not to get junked. Thank you
Please define "top quality purebreds"
And how you choose the parents (what health tests have been done?)
And what these "top breeders" are. I don't know of any reputable breeders that would sell to companies or brokers

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post #21 of 28 (permalink) Old 11-24-2012, 11:07 AM
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Technically any animal that is in heat can breed successfully (Human, puppy.) Breeding at first heat is accepted so long as calcium and other nutrients are given to prevent any damage to the damn. Breeding age has nothing to do with the quality of dog. Quality is judged by the pedigree as my clients well know. I encourage all people to do research and ask breeders for the parents pedigree and understand the problems the breed may have down the road. If you just pick someone off craigslist without papers than good luck because chances are they will have issues. DNA samples for damn and sier are also registered with AKC. I just ask for you to educate yourself a bit more before jumping to several points with ZERO knowledge of the facts. :-(
In the world of reputable and responsible breeders, breeding on the first season is certainly NOT accepted. Not by a long shot.

In addition, giving doses of calcium to a pregnant bitch is asking for eclampsia.

DNA samples at AKC have nothing to do with proving quality. They are required for tracking purposes...as in, for example, artificial insemination.

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Was the puppy adopted from a rescue? Albanian, are you aware of the location of all of the dogs you produce?
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"Technically"

"Breeding at first heat is accepted so long as calcium and other nutrients are given to prevent any damage to the damn."

what the fudge!

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The pup's dam is Gabbana (WS35559010) and the sire is Duke Nicaj (WS34521304).
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From the self-admitted breeder in April 2011

So the dam was bred well before two years and the sire probably was too (it's late and my math, even the simple stuff, seems to be failing).. This means that many of the health tests couldn't have been done. I guess it's a good thing that this person is just so good at choosing the best and most healthy puppies from puppy brokers over the internet. Yes, Albanian, you just sound like an absolutely stellar breeder
Gabbana was whelped 10-17-2010. Duke Nacaj was whelped 6-14-2010. So, let's see, the puppy in this thread was whelped in January, based on him being 9 months old when this thread was started. That means that Gabbana was just over a year old when she had this litter. It's entirely possible, based on the comments of Albanian1, that this was her second litter.

Oh, and neither one has any health info listed with the AKC, not even a DNA number (So much for Albanian1's claim about that). Neither has any AKC titles, or even points toward any titles.


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Oh, and neither one has any health info listed with the AKC, not even a DNA number (So much for Albanian1's claim about that). Neither has any AKC titles, or even points toward any titles.
Well, according to that data Albanian1 is lying about that. Wonder what else isn't on the up and up.......
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